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Subject: [Leica] S2 vs. 645D
From: msadat at gmail.com (mehrdad)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 16:39:09 -0800
References: <CAF8hL-FNBLyfDsOVVujKmCgyj32zxApU=spJ2JpncxQ-uJMTCA@mail.gmail.com> <CB79599C.F3CC%chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com> <CAF8hL-G7zvEzVJY768BCHnH0-5rhtVZ+=zN454r3Givbvo43hQ@mail.gmail.com>

notably lenses, there is not much around that can resolve 40 meg and the
new ones coming out r priced around 5k. it is not a full system, i think it
was more of an experiment. all depends on ricoh now. kill it or make a
camera system.

On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Richard Man <richard at 
richardmanphoto.com>wrote:

> Chris, this is why I always buy used cars. I pay less than a new car and
> never bitch about the various Toyota we own.
>
> But seriously, why is Pentax 645D a lesser cameras? All I hear is "Leica S2
> or Hasselblad is better because they are more expensive."
>
> How about the Pentax has water sealing? (so does the S2...)
>
> How about the Pentax handles pretty nicely?
>
> How about the Pentax has 40 MP?
>
> How about someone no less than Salgado shot years with a 645?
>
> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Chris Crawford <
> chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com
> > wrote:
>
> > In 2006, my grandmother bought a new car. She had a 1987 Ford Escort that
> > she had bought new. She has money but is tightfisted, so when she bought
> > the Escort, she went to the local Ford dealer and said she wanted the
> > cheapest new car on the lot. Then she paid cash for it.
> >
> > She hated that Escort the entire time she had it. It was a little tin-can
> > shitbox that rode rough, had no engine power, was claustrophobically
> small
> > inside, and God help you if you get in a wreck with someone driving a big
> > car! She bitched about that Escort the whole time she had it, and when
> she
> > replaced it in 2006, she swore she was going to buy a nicer car.
> >
> > She didn't want to spend too much though. She looked at the Ford Focus,
> > the successor to the Escort and a better built car, though still a crappy
> > econo-tincan, and she looked at a Taurus, a nice midsize car. The Taurus
> > was $3000 more than the Focus. That was just $3000 too much and the old
> > cheapskate bought the Focus, once again paying the full cost of the
> > brand-new car in cash.
> >
> > My grandma has done nothing but BITCH incessantly to everyone who will
> > listen about what a piece of shit her car is, and how much she hates it
> > because its too small, rides rough, has no power, and she feels unsafe in
> > it. Sound familiar? Yeah, same complaints she had about her last new car,
> > the 87 Escort.
> >
> > Seriously, if you're already spending $10+ thousand, a couple thousand
> > more for a better camera is worth it.
> >
> >
> > Lesson: Spend the money and get the right camera.
> >
> > --
> > Chris Crawford
> > Fine Art Photography
> > Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > 260-437-8990
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > On 3/4/12 4:28 PM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote:
> >
> > >That way of thinking leads to madness!
> > >
> > >$13K for H4D-31, but hey
> > >$13K for a P40+, and "only" $5K more to get an Alpa and a good lens!
> > >But hey,
> > >$18K, may as well pay another $4K for the S2 body and what's another $4K
> > >for a lens?
> > >
> > >But wait... $26K? You can get a P65+ and another $5K for an Alpa with a
> > >good lens!
> > >$31K? Chump change. Now you can get a S2P setup!
> > >
> > >Or wait, $31K + $8K gets you the ULTIMATE IQ180. Who doesn't want THAT?
> > >Another $15K gets you the ultimate ultimate Alpa with 3 lens setup.
> > >
> > >So now we are looking at $52K.
> > >
> > >All because $13K is just $2K more than $11K.
> > >
> > >AND NOT a single photo has been taken.
> > >
> > >
> > >On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 1:10 PM, <grduprey at mchsi.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> If I was going to spend $11K on a digital MF camera I would spend
> > >>another
> > >> $2k and get the Hasselblad H4D-31.
> > >>
> > >> Gene
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
> > >> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> > >> Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 11:26:29 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> > >> Subject: Re: [Leica] S2 vs. 645D
> > >>
> > >> The genesis of the camera seems to be that Pentax finally finished it
> so
> > >> that it can make the company more appealing to Hoya, but then it got
> > >>wildly
> > >> popular (well, wildly is a relative term in medium format world). Now
> > >> another owner later, they are certainly taking their time releasing
> new
> > >> lens. There is one wide lens already: 25mm which is even wider than
> the
> > >>new
> > >> Leica S2 35mm but one will have to make do with the older 645 or 6x7
> > >>lens
> > >> in the mean time. The performance varies so you may have to try
> several
> > >> lens to get one that performs well, but they are dirt cheap though,
> > >> relatively speaking.
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 9:12 PM, John McMaster <john at 
> > >> chiaroscuro.co.nz
> > >> >wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Pentax don't seem to be rushing out new/wider lenses for it, not
> sure
> > >> > (either way) of the quality of the lenses from the film days.
> > >> >
> > >> > john
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > If I can finagled $11K, I'd buy the Pentax 645D in a heartbeat. \
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
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>
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  regards, mehrdad


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