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Subject: [Leica] Using M (and R) glass on a Sony NEX-7 Now DATA
From: jhnichols at lighttube.net (Jim Nichols)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:04:48 -0500
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Hi Jayanand,

That is all well and good, but the bee may be gone before the second shot 
can be made.  That is why I like to get the first one right. ;~)

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jayanand Govindaraj" <jayanand at gmail.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Using M (and R) glass on a Sony NEX-7 Now DATA


> Why does all this matter? Look at the histogram and adjust! Digital makes
> it so easy to get a good exposure....
> Cheers
> Jayanand
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:15 AM, Jim Nichols 
> <jhnichols at lighttube.net>wrote:
>
>> Aram,
>>
>> I will add to the confusion.
>>
>> After plotting your data on the NEX-7, I became curious about my Olympus
>> E-1, which is an early professional model.  I compared the companion 
>> lens,
>> which was the Olympus 14-54 zoom, to my Summicron-R and my Elmarit-R 60mm
>> Macro.  By some stroke of luck, I was able to use a log scale for this 
>> one,
>> which helps with the comparison.  I have tried to do the same for my 
>> first
>> chart of your data, but can't find that option again.
>>
>> If the 14-54 lens, which communicates with the camera, is taken as the
>> "standard", then my Elmarit-60 is not too far off this line.  However, my
>> sample of the Summacron-R 50mm shows that it departs from the norm,
>> particularly above f/8.  In your data, this departure starts at about
>> f/5.6. After seeing this, I would not choose the Summicron-R as a measure
>> of performance for a Leica prime lens.  My Elmarit-R 60 looks much 
>> better.
>>
>> In looking at your data for the Leica zoom, I begin to wonder if there 
>> are
>> too many compromises in zoom lens design.  I did not pursue recording the
>> 14-54 data at other focal lengths.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aram Langhans" <leica_r8 at 
>> hotmail.com>
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 11:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Using M (and R) glass on a Sony NEX-7 Now DATA
>>
>>
>>  That's what I mean, too, except the Nikon D7000 and D300 does not behave
>>> the same as Howard's D700.
>>>
>>> Can anyone make sense of these data?
>>>
>>> Lens 1 is Nikon 50/1.2
>>> Lens 2 is Leica-R 50/2 Summicron
>>> Lens 3a is Leica-r 35-70/4 shot at 35mm
>>> Lens 3b is same lens shot at 50mm
>>> Lens 3c is same lens shot at 70mm
>>>
>>> Subject, an evenly lit patch of grass in my front lawn.  Went through 
>>> the
>>> f-stops twice for each lens to check consistency.  Same reading each 
>>> time.
>>>
>>>
>>> f-stop        Lens 1          Lens 2          Lens 3a             Lens 
>>> 3b
>>> Lens 3c
>>> 2                 1600             1600
>>> 2.8                 800             1000
>>> 4                    400               400             640 500 640
>>> 5.6                 200               100             160 200 320
>>> 8                    100                 40                50 60 100
>>> 11                    50                 25                30 30 50
>>> 16                     25                15                20 20 20
>>>
>>> As you can see, the Nikon behaves as it should be and meters correctly
>>> through the f-stop range, halving the shutter speed for each smaller 
>>> f-stop.
>>> The Leica lenses do not and progressively overexpose as you stop the 
>>> lens
>>> down.  I am surprised that the zoom did not meter correctly wide open. 
>>> In
>>> my field experience, wide open is not a problem, and the overexposure 
>>> only
>>> starts to show up as you stop down.
>>>
>>> I am also surprised that the overexposure is limited to about one stop.
>>> In my field experience I sometimes have to compensate about 2 stops.
>>>
>>> That said, there is about a one stop overexposure in this test while my
>>> Canon, when I had it, would overexpose about 4 stops if you stopped down
>>> enough.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------**--------------------
>>> From: "H&E Cummer" <cummer at netvigator.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 6:04 AM
>>> To: <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: [Leica] Using M (and R) glass on a Sony NEX-7
>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 16:13:38 -0600
>>>> From: Bill Nelsch <photobynelsch at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Using M (and R) glass on a Sony NEX-7
>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>
>>>> I have a stupid question:  When you say the D7000 is "linear" - what 
>>>> does
>>>> that mean actually?  How does that affect the exposure?
>>>>
>>>> Bill in Denver
>>>>
>>>> Hi Bill,
>>>> By linear I mean that as you close down the lens aperture the shutter
>>>> speed drops by an equal amount in terms of light transmission
>>>> If you are at f5.6 and 1/500 and then close down to f8.0 the shutter
>>>> speed adjusts to 1/250 - to f11.0 the shutter speed drops to 1/125
>>>> keeping the light transmission the same. That's what happens on the
>>>> Nikon. On the Canon without Canon lenses that "talk" to the body
>>>> as you close down a Leica R lens mounted with an adapter that isn't
>>>> chipped the shutter speeds drift away from the above response and you 
>>>> get
>>>> more and more exposure variation.
>>>> Hope this clarifies my point for you.
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Howard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Replies: Reply from imagist3 at mac.com (George Lottermoser) ([Leica] Using M (and R) glass on a Sony NEX-7 Now DATA)
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