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Subject: [Leica] "The Puddle Jumper" / Re: How about this one?
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:01:12 -0400

When you so a search you get all kinds of people talking all kinds of
pictures of people jumping puddles all over the world and comparing them to
the HCB as a parody. Yes its a fact of life sometimes you have to jump over
a puddle. I did so this month even with two bad knees. A problem is you hope
the place your foot lands on is not slippery. Otherwise somebody has to fish
you out of the puddle.

- - from my iRabs.
Mark Rabiner
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/


> From: Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:40:49 -0400
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] "The Puddle Jumper" / Re: How about this one?
> 
> I seem to recall reading that HCB explained that pedestrians had to jump
> over that puddle in order to get somewhere (don't remember where or why
> they all had to go to the same place or exit, apparently it was a common
> path people took on exiting the gare). So there were many people jumping
> the puddle that day & HCB (or his editors) simply chose the one they liked
> best. It's interesting to speculate about the frame no, 39, too and
> fantasize that it was the last shot on the roll.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 4:16 AM, Richard Taylor <r.s.taylor at 
> comcast.net>wrote:
> 
>> Mark - I remember seeing the contact sheet with multiple jumps, too, but
>> whether it was in connection with the NYLUG meting or elsewhere, I can't
>> remember at the moment.
>> 
>> Dick
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 17, 2012, at 3:51, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I was afraid of that.  I went flipping though the book when I was in
>>> Portland last month and I never found the page. The show we saw in NY
>> though
>>> was not that show you are mentioning. It was the Scrapbook show. Early
>> work.
>>> It could be I dreamt the contact sheet of puddle jumping but I was not
>> aware
>>> I was that delusional.  Possible though. The place I would have seen it
>>> would have been in the International Center of Photography five years
>> ago.
>>> Perhaps someone who was with me from the NYLUG can corroborate it.
>>> I certainly can not find it in numerous searches on Bing and Google
>> contacts
>>> sheet mode searches.
>>> Henri Cartier-Bresson's Scrapbook: Photographs, 1932?1946
>>> JANUARY 19?APRIL 29, 2007
>>> http://www.icp.org/museum/exhibitions/henri-cartier-bressons-scrapbook
>>> 
>>> - - from my iRabs.
>>> Mark Rabiner
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:37:02 -0700
>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Subject: [Leica] "The Puddle Jumper" / Re:  How about this one?
>>>> 
>>>> Mark, I checked my copy of "Celebrating the Negative," and the negative
>>>> shown is just that single frame, cut off, without sprocket holes on on
>> edge
>>>> even (Henri "ate them," so he said).
>>>> 
>>>> No there is no contact sheet of the sequence. Unfortunately, it's not
>>>> included in the Magnum book "Contact Sheet" either.
>>>> 
>>>> I went to the "Modern Century" show of HCB's photos a few years ago in
>>>> SFMOMA and there's no such contact sheet :-(
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> In the contact sheet in the book  "Celebrating the Negative"  by
>>>>> John Loengard you can see he is caught in the air jumping over the same
>>>>> puddle from the same spot at least 27 times.
>>>>> Some of us NY LUG guys also saw and discused that contact sheet when
>> it was
>>>>> displayed in the early HCB show at the ICP in new York a few years ago:
>>>>> Henri Cartier-Bresson's Scrapbook: Photographs, 1932?1946
>>>>> JANUARY 19?APRIL 29, 2007
>>>>> 
>>>>> Derriere la Gare Saint-Lazare  better known as:
>>>>> The Puddle Jumper
>>>>> 
>>>>> This photo findable now on the internet is mainly used as an example
>> for
>>>>> the
>>>>> other myth. That HCB (or other Magnum shooters) never cropped. This
>> photo
>>>>> is
>>>>> cropped by quite a bit. As are a handful of others of his.
>>>>> They are saying in many examples I find on the internet  that he is
>>>>> shooting
>>>>> through a fence which reinforces the whole "decisive moment" myth;
>> Waiting
>>>>> patiently some magic moment to happen from a hole in a fence clicking
>> once
>>>>> and going home.
>>>>> But the guy jumps from the same place over the same puddle strip after
>>>>> strip.
>>>>> And there was no reason for HCB to not act like any other magazine
>>>>> photographer of the time and perhaps a bit less so, now.. To be heavily
>>>>> involved with what he was shooting.
>>>>> Of course its always depended on the exact kind of thing you're
>> shooting.
>>>>> Baby shoes and so on. Hiring models to kiss in front of crowds of
>> leering
>>>>> men...
>>>>> 
>>>>> - - from my iRabs.
>>>>> Mark Rabiner
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
>>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>> Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:52:29 -0700
>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] How about this one?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In the "Impassionated Eye" video, HCB explicitly said the same thing
>> you
>>>>>> did, so I think the "asking the guy jumping multiple times" is a myth.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> and I just love this video
>>>>>> http://vimeo.com/33376713
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 5:17 PM, B. D. Colen <bd at bdcolenphoto.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Finally, I won't put money on this - but I don't think HCB had the
>> guy
>>>>> do
>>>>>>> anything. He was shooting through a hole in a fence, and shot a
>> series
>>>>> of
>>>>>>> people as they tried to get across the puddle. The best of the
>> images he
>>>>>>> got was of the famous jumper. At least I believe that's correct.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
>>>>>> 
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>>>> 
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> -Lew S.
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