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Subject: [Leica] The death of the silver gelatin prints
From: john at chiaroscuro.co.nz (John McMaster)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:11:28 +1200
References: <002901cd4eaa$2f393ea0$8dabbbe0$@chiaroscuro.co.nz> <CC06E0D5.1FF2D%mark@rabinergroup.com>

RC Multigrade was OK for contacts but Multigrade fibre had nothing like the
depth of tone of Galerie, never mind Seagull, as far as I was concerned.

john

-----Original Message-----

I was an Ilford Multigrade fan not the warm or the cool and I'd use the RC
for my proof sheets and an occasional work print. I think its possible they
still make the stuff. I saw a bunch of it at B&H not that many months ago.
Somebody bought Ilford but the typeface is the same.

- - from my iRabs.
Mark Rabiner
> 
> To me there is nothing like the range of papers out there compared to 
> a few years back. I preferred Oriental Seagull over Galerie gloss (I 
> liked the matt), no Agfa warm tone (or cold for that matter) etc etc.
> 
> john
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> I missed the part on how the silver gelatin prints died.
> 
> - - from my iRabs.
> Mark Rabiner
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/springdays/
> 
> 
>> Oh, and the gloss is less "annoying." The Z has a gloss optimizer 
>> which really helps here, I think.
>> 
>> Although I have to say, there is something about that pure black in 
>> the silver print that has a lot of appeal. Just slightly more 
>> appealing in that case...
>> 
>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Richard Man
>> <richard at richardmanphoto.com>wrote:
>> 
>>> Quite a bit sharper (this is from the same file of course), better 
>>> noise in the shadow and generally more contrast (macro and micro ?)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:29 PM, Montie <montoid at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Just curious, better how?  More gloss, blacker blacks?
>>>> etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Montie
>>>> 
>>>>>> Overblown sensational title? Surely you jest? :-)
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, a tad.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, I went for the premium option, even with Selenium toning (50% 
>>>> more $).
>>>> 
>>>> It's quite superb, just that Z+ Gloss Baryta is better. I was 
>>>> hoping they would be equal.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Montie <montoid at earthlink.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> It's a Durst Theta 51. Was your image uploaded via Roes for their 
>>>>> value RC print?  Not Great.  Try their custom printing on Ilfobrom 
>>>>> Galerie Fiber (Baryta based) Semi Gloss...Superb, assuming the 
>>>>> file is good in the first place.  300 dpi or better etc. Your 
>>>>> subject title may be a tad overblown?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Montie
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Folks might remember that I tried doing digital negative before.
>>>>>>> In
>>>> the
>>>>> end, unsuccessfully because my HP Z3100 is just not good for that 
>>>>> particular type of task (digital negative for silver contact 
>>>>> prints
>>>>> - apparently, it works great for digital negatives with 
>>>>> alternative
>>>> process).
>>>>> Eventually when I have to replace the Z3100, I will probably get 
>>>>> an
>>>> Epson
>>>>> and try the experiment again.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Meanwhile, since I have to make some 17x22 prints for a couple 
>>>>> gallery shows, I got a 8x10 sample print from Digital Silver where 
>>>>> you upload
>>>> the
>>>>> digital file and they print it using some sort of LED laser and 
>>>>> then processed in wet chemical.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I make the same print on the Z. Comparing to the Z3100 printing on 
>>>>> Gloss Baryta, it's no comparison, the inkjet print looks better in
> every way.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So Z+Gloss Baryta it is.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
>>>> 




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