Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/07/21
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]?? I assume that was a slight against me? Although I was a bit confused by the syntax of the double negatives ;-) Why do I want to spend hours in PS if I do not need to? I shot Kodachrome and Velvia for years so I have become used to getting things right in camera. Please suggest where any of my PAW this week would be improved by tweaking in PhotoShop..... john -----Original Message----- I've never met a photo person who's level of craft was close to zero who was not as proud of it as you are. Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > From: John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:07:33 +1200 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Editing on an iPad (bus, or plus bus...) > > I put 25 Leica M9 images on my PAW this week (and another 16 on the > 50mm comparisons), I work on an 8-core MacPro with a calibrated 30" > screen. For those of us who use DRM/M8/M9 cameras can guess how long > it took to tweak/push/prod/tone/adjust them into acceptable quality > images. Do you want to know what I have to do to my images to make > them look good (modesty aside ;-))? Not a single thing, import into > Lightroom, caption and export as web site - no > tones/brightness/sharpening or tweaking modification is needed..... I > have never done more than 1/2 stop exposure correction or a crop to any of my M9 images. > > john > > -----Original Message----- > > But the other side of the editing coin is the tweaking. > The processing it gets called. Photoshopping. Tone balancing. > I call it lots of times "crunching". But its not good to have ones own > words for things I'm sure. > And doing that on a mini device to me is really a thing which > contrasts greatly against the high end cameras and lenses we are > using. As it really seems to indicate one don't give a rats ass about > ones work. In this case the work, the final result that someone sees. > But we can spend hours doing that can't we why cant see do it while > sitting in a caf? staring at our compact mobile device? > Because hopefully we are not total idiots. > That's those of use to bother tweaking our images at all. I'm seeing > plenty could not be bothered. We're looking at jpegs right out of > their camera untouched by human hands or back from the scanner who does the whole roll. > It would mean lifting ones pinky finger wouldn't it? > > Mark William Rabiner >> >> If your asking me I'd say it looks like you've got the thing under > control. >> I'm just talking about deleting a bunch of valid images while sitting >> at a sidewalk caf? zipping through the images on a little hand held >> screen. A darned shame if you ask me. >> I'd do most of the editing where you can concentrate and have a >> better viewing experience. Certainly I've sat on the subway or bus >> and deleted some images off a card by looking at them in the back of >> my camera. Zooming in to see if they're soft. If there's any question >> I'd leave it on the card and wait till I can later see it better. >> Also when I'm going through them here I can delete the total bloopers >> but the important thing is to RATE them. One to five stars. The five >> starred ones with a yellow tag are the ones you'd see on my Lug >> gallery and maybe some other places. Even my 5x7 print box in my side bag. >> >> My Friday flower I posted yesterday was a sleeper. Though I shot >> plenty of flowers in the past weeks none of them did much for me. I >> spent some real time assessing them last night. After a half hour of >> looking through all my >> 2012 keyworded "Flowers" shots I found the shot I ran which was shot >> in mid March at 6 AM. It only had 3 stars on it before! That I call a >> sleeper as I'm super happy about the way its looking on the LUG >> gallery > right now etc. >> a shot which I didn't even know for five months was there. 17 people >> have seen it and its not been up more than 24 hours I call that >> pretty > good. >> >> A huge most valued part of ones photo work flo is taking the time to >> see what you've got. Rating and keywording them with a lot of > consideration. >> >> I'm betting that its not all that uncommon just like in the days of >> slides in yellow boxes which get put in the closet; of people who >> can't be bothered with their output. >> Pictures are fun! >> Sure cameras are fun but pictures are funner. >> >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photography >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> >> >>> From: John McMaster <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 11:12:20 +1200 >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Editing on an iPad (bus, or plus bus...) >>> >>> You were saying about Netbooks and I am saying that is no good for a >>> Mac user (although I do have a Dell 9 running OSX 10.6.2). You seem >>> to be jumping between email/web type stuff which an iPad can do to >>> laptops which are bigger/heavier but can do more. I have a 17" >>> MacBook Pro (as well as a >>> workstation) but would not dream of taking it on holiday with me. I >>> will be in Europe for 5 weeks in a couple of months, what is your >>> suggestion for coping with 10s GBs of photos I expect I will take? I >>> have +100Gb of SD cards, do you suggest that I buy more and keep >>> them until I get home? Not download them anywhere and I may find an >>> issue, or excessive dust on the sensor, or the cards have become >>> corrupt or..... For me that is single point of failure and I can >>> keep them on a card but also on my Air and an external drive. For a >>> lesser time, or travelling light, that is where an iPad came in as >>> per the original > query. >>> >>> Goalposts seem to keep moving..... >>> >>> john >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> You'd have a Mac Pro Quad core back in your dorm room with a >>> calibrated screen. Or maybe a full sized laptop hooked up to a nice >>> big screen; and that would be me. With two extra hard disks hooked >>> up to > it. >>> >>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> >>>> And if you are a Mac user with $$$$ worth of pro-class >>>> Adobe/CaptureOne etc software? >>>> >>>> john >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >>>> Half the kids at Columbia and NYU appear to be using Acer's now at >>>> the starbucks and better coffee shops. Its really impressive to see >>>> those little laptops and know that it would be no problem to have >>>> them with you all day without making you have to carry a full back >>>> pack with like with a regular laptop. The keyboards are not so >>>> compact as to your not able to type out papers with them. And the >>>> screen seems to be >>> plenty clear enough. >>>> >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>> >>>>> I have the Acer Aspire One. It's a tiny little thing but works great >>> for >>>>> travel. >>>>> >>>>> Tina >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Akhil Lal <alal at poly.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Tina, >>>>>> >>>>>> Which model do you have? >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Akhil >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> >>>>>> My tiny little Acer netbook can handle LR and PS. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tina >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 2:37 AM, John McMaster >>>>>> <john at chiaroscuro.co.nz>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I really think that you are not understanding this. Nobody is >>>>>>> saying that the iPad will be their only computer, just it is >>>>>>> small/light for travelling with and is there software to allow >>>>>>> basic cataloguing/editing of Leica shots with it.... If using a >>>>>>> full blown laptop, I like others chose a Mac Air, then there is >>>>>>> no >>> issue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> john >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm talking about maybe our photography which we sweat about >>>>>>> buying exclusive Leica gear for is too important to be editing >>>>>>> with trendy hand held gadgets. Maybe we can put them down for a >>>>>>> few minutes and enjoy the scenery - talk the the person next to >>>>>>> us. And when we get back to your hotel/motel edit our photo's on >>>>>>> a laptop. On a screen where we can see our images. >>>>>>> I find the never ending search for more ways to spend even a >>>>>>> higher percentage of our waking hours than 80 percent at a tiny >>>>>>> hand held screen ridiculous. Perfect perhaps for the Sony point >>>>>>> and shoot list but for the Leica list I just want more. >>>>>>> Put the damn PDA down for a minute. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There seems to be a direct reverse correlation between how much >>>>>>> money people spend on a camera and how much time and effort and >>>>>>> money they want to spend dealing with their pictures later. >>>>>>> If this was the Linhof list we'd be talking about editing our >>>>>>> output on our decoder pinky rings. >>>>>>> Big camera small editing screen. It all balances out perhaps. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think we'd all be better off with cheaper cameras and a better >>>>>>> workflo with premium software to do it with. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you know what you are talking about? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> john >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are missing my point. Why edit on an Ipad when you can do >>>>>>>> so with an IPhone? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You are missing the point, Mark. This discussion is about >>>>>>>>> tools for the >>>>>>>> iPad. >>>>>>>>> Lightroom is not available on that platform. Sometimes even a >>>>>>>>> laptop is too big and too heavy, for example next week when I >>>>>>>>> will be touring Jutland on bicycle for several days. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Nathan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2012, at 6:13 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm always amazed after spending tens of thousands on the >>>>>>>>>> most exquisite glass and bodies from sunny Germany we can >>>>>>>>>> never find software cheap enough to edit them with. >>>>>>>>>> Aperture or Lightroom are already configured for people who's >>>>>>>>>> commitment to photographic wonderfulness is not exactly the issue. >>>>>>>>>> What are we looking for now shareware or freeware? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Mail was checked for spam by the Freeware Edition of CleanMail. > The Freeware Edition is free for personal and non-commercial use. > You can remove this notice by purchasing a full license! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. 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