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Subject: [Leica] The Leica M new functionality difference
From: john at mcmaster.co.nz (John McMaster)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 21:46:20 +0000
References: <385225E0-0991-4CBF-9877-0C38CF3D5954@me.com>, <CC7E6344.23B33%mark@rabinergroup.com>

As I have said several times, cost/ROI - why buy into it when used to AF 
DSLRs?

John

On 18/09/2012, at 11:41 PM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

> Really why?
> 
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photography
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> 
> 
>> From: Scott Gregory <s_gregory1 at me.com>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 17:37:07 -0400
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] The Leica M new functionality difference
>> 
>> Mark with all due respect I think you are dreaming big time when you say 
>> this:
>> "We're going to see lots of photo reportage stories in papers and online 
>> with
>> photographers who've traded in their shooting with DSLR'S and zooms and 
>> have
>> now gone back to Leica M. or are using Leica M for the first time like 
>> their
>> dads and moms did."
>> Scott
>> 
>> On 2012-09-18, at 5:13 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Without having the new M in hand I think most of us and the photo world 
>>> at
>>> large are making a few assumptions on what the new Leica M's level of
>>> functionality is all about. The new CMOS sensor is going to be on par 
>>> with
>>> what most of us are already used to using current state of the art full
>>> frame DSLR's Canon and Nikon and others. The ability to capture action
>>> stopped down in dark interiors and sidewalks at night.  We're used to
>>> getting that with our crass DSLR'S. But sadly and ironically not with an 
>>> M9
>>> with its purist CCD.
>>> This mode of freely shooting is way different from shooting wide open
>>> squeeze and pray shutter speeds and hope they don't blink and either do 
>>> you.
>>> We've been doing this with exceedingly above average and occasionally
>>> inspired Nikon and Canon etc glass. Now we can use our premium over the 
>>> top
>>> Leica glass. And a rangefinder camera. Made by the Leica company. The 
>>> kind
>>> of camera and glass one thinks of and hopes to be using with that kind of
>>> reportage shooting in the first place.
>>> Leica has come home. 2013 is Leicas lucky number.
>>> We're going to see lots of photo reportage stories in papers and online 
>>> with
>>> photographers who've traded in their shooting with DSLR'S and zooms and 
>>> have
>>> now gone back to Leica M. or are using Leica M for the first time like 
>>> their
>>> dads and moms did.
>>> So there will be two stories. The story the photographer is telling and 
>>> the
>>> story about how he told it using a combination of traditional technology 
>>> and
>>> new from the Leica camera company.
>>> 
>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>> 
>>>> From: Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>
>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 06:10:29 +1000
>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Auto Aperture with R lenses on the new M via the 
>>>> Leica
>>>> R
>>>>> M adapter
>>>> 
>>>> I'm surprised to not see any posts on the M itself thus far.
>>>> Still it may be 4 or 6 months or so before anyone actually gets one. 
>>>> Very
>>>> likely some will be in reviewer's hands before then I imagine.
>>>> I'll be very interested to see how the new sensor and processor 
>>>> perform. I
>>>> already have the very best lenses I want to use with it. I don't need 
>>>> the
>>>> other stuff myself but it appears to have every wished for option that 
>>>> has
>>>> emerged since the launch of the M9.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Geoff
>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 19 September 2012 02:12, Henning Wulff <henningw at archiphoto.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Due to the light amplification in the EVF, it might actually work quite
>>>>> well for low light subjects. Depends on the performance of the EVF of
>>>>> course, but some recent ones have been quite good even in very low 
>>>>> light.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Henning
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2012-09-18, at 2:56 AM, Topoxforddoc wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm not sure that this will substitute for rhe DMR. Handholding a 180
>>>>> cron in low light photographing concerts is hard enough with a top 
>>>>> class
>>>>> optical prism. Using the EVF at 10x mag on moving subjects looks to be 
>>>>> one
>>>>> step too far!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Charlie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 18 Sep 2012, at 10:44, Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie at 
>>>>>> btinternet.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That is how manual focus works on the 4/3 and micro 4/3 cameras. I 
>>>>>>> find
>>>>> it helpful, though I can focus tele lenses fine without since the 
>>>>> depth of
>>>>> field is so small focus is obvious. Also with a tele or macro lens 
>>>>> with the
>>>>> 10x magnification it is impossible to hand hold still enough to focus 
>>>>> IME.
>>>>>>> FD
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 18 Sep, 2012, at 00:53, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If the image is blown up ten times on the back of the thing which I
>>>>> think
>>>>>>>> they're saying I can see the thing making it possible to focus.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Henning Wulff
>>>>> henningw at archiphoto.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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