Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/10/31

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Subject: [Leica] Raw MM Files
From: richard at richardmanphoto.com (Richard Man)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 03:56:17 -0700
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Well yes of course, but I'm not sure the tradeoff between an ME for $5400
with color options vs. an MM for $8000 with better tonality is the right
tradeoff.

If they are both priced at $5000, then I'd jump for the MM too (if I have
the budget)

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:22 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> 
wrote:

> For me it is the tonality, never got the same from an M9 conversion. I am
> more than happy with my MM compared to the 3200dpi Hasselblad scans (FP4+)
> I made earlier this year....
>
> john
> ________________________________________
>
>
> As a 3 year owner of the M9, I found the fascination with the MM, well,
> fascinating. First, as much as I love B&W (I convert almost everything to
> B&W), I hate to lose the flexibility of having the colors and specifically
> the color filter components. I can darken the sky by tweaking the hue
> component post. How easy is that? When I am shooting B&W film, it's not a
> big deal, it's a choice I make, whereas the MM makes the choice for you. If
> that makes sense.
>
> Fundamentally though, for $5400, you can get an ME or used M9, or pay $2000
> more to get a B&W camera. That just seems backward. Yes, I know, the
> resolution is higher and the ISO is one stop better etc. etc. but you know
> what? I have taken some decent pictures with the M9 and not once have
> anyone say about my successful pictures that they would be even better if
> the resolution is better, or the ISO is better. And of course with the
> unsuccessful pictures, they just suck no matter how much resolution I throw
> at it.
>
> I don't buy the easier to post process aspect. LR 4 Develop have 4 major
> sliders, highlight, shadow, whites and blacks. Those Adobe engineers have
> done A LOT of magic so that most images will get close to (lets say 90%) of
> their best potential with just those 4 sliders. 4 sliders, and you don't
> change the blacks and whites much. Once you learn a tool like LR4 well, any
> time saving would be measured in seconds at best.
>
> Besides, if I do have $8000-$9000 to spend, I will either hop, skip and
> jump and save a little bit more to get into MFDB.
>
> Or heck, my 617 is giving me a lot of joy. There's 10000 square mm of B&W
> goodness, that's more than 10x of 864 square mm of digital pixels. For
> $8000, I can buy a new Ebony 617s. Super sharp 5x7 lens are $2000+ and
> there are plenty great sharp lens for $500 or under.
>
>
> --
> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
>
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// richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>


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