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Subject: [Leica] Olympus XA (OT)
From: don.dory at gmail.com (Don Dory)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 19:53:09 -0500
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I still have three XA's in various iterations.  However, I've come to terms
with carrying an M; if I want smaller I will mount a 35 2.8 Serenar which
is really thin making the M pocketable.  I just won't give up the precision
and repeatability of manual focusing.


On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Bill Pearce <billcpearce at cox.net> wrote:

> While I understand that the size of the XA is probably too small to house
> both a FF sensor, electronics and a battery of useful size, It wouldn't
> take much more. The FF Sony compact is a good example, and , at a more
> affordable price could be the deal. It would seem that we have reached a
> time when the FF sensor compact is a possibility as the flange to film
> plane distance problems seem to have been solved. I would think that
> applying the same solutions to the E1 and 3 would make them truly
> competitive. That camera was probably a little too soon and that was what
> made it too similar in size to conventional DSLR's.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Richard Man
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 1:29 PM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Olympus XA (OT)
>
>
> The XA was my first camera out of school. I still have it. The rewind crank
> broke so a few years ago, I bought another one, just because
>
> As I said earlier, I think the RX-1 is too little, too late, but if they
> make a digital full frame XA, I will buy it, for up to 2012 $1500.
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Howard Ritter <hlritter at bex.net> wrote:
>
>  Reading early releases on Sony's forthcoming ultrapremium-priced non-SLR
>> non-interchangeable, non-zoom-lens finderless full-frame digicam, the RX1,
>> I couldn't help but think about its nearest film equivalent, and one of my
>> favorite past cameras, the little Oly XA. I'll bet a lot of LUGgers past a
>> certain age used this little gem. How many of you still have yours? Use
>> it?
>> When I think about it, it just annoys me that this new, smallest FF
>> digicam
>> is twice the depth and box volume of the XA, and not pocketable. And that
>> the smallest "serious" digicam, the Sony RX100, is the same size as the XA
>> and yet can't manage a sensor that's more than one-third the dimensions of
>> the XA's frame.
>>
>> [For those too young to have seen one, I'll describe it as the size of a
>> pack of cigarettes (remember that antiquated comparison?), rugged plastic
>> construction, sliding door covering the integral 35mm f/2.8 Zuiko lens,
>> rangefinder focusing with a lever on the bottom of the lens, aperture
>> selected with a vertically sliding tab on the front of the body, and
>> aperture-priority autoexposure?with the shutter speed indicated by a
>> needle
>> in the viewfinder. But you had to set the ASA yourself. Powered by a watch
>> battery in a recess in the bottom, and it takes a screw-on flash unit on
>> one end if you need it. And it took full-frame 35mm pictures. The camera's
>> almost exactly the same size as my Sony RX100, which has a collapsible
>> pancake 3x zoom lens and is a few mm shorter?but which has a sensor that's
>> about 35% of the linear dimensions of a 35mm frame and about 14% of the
>> area. I started wondering where mine was and when I had used it last?must
>> have been 10 years. I got it over 30 years ago when I was stationed with
>> the USAF in Wiesbaden, Germany, and so many of my fellow members of the
>> Wiesbaden American Ski Club got one too that it became the "official" trip
>> camera of WASKI. Then, I came across it yesterday quite by accident while
>> searching for something else somewhere entirely different. Serendipity. No
>> film in it, unfortunately, but the battery still powers it up. So it's off
>> to Walgreen's we go...]
>>
>> So I'm thinking, if anyone other than LUGgers would be willing to accept a
>> non-zoom, integral-lens manual-focus camera with no built-in flash, in
>> return for maximum pocketability, how small could a FF digicam be? Why
>> can't it be the size of the XA and even include a RF? Obviously it would
>> need a lot of electronics that the XA doesn't, but then the XA has all
>> that
>> space in the film cassette and takeup-reel chambers for circuitry and a
>> big
>> battery. The need to have light rays strike the sensor at as steep an
>> angle
>> as possible apparently imposes certain constraints on lens design, and
>> therefore size, but then a FF CMOS sensor is so sensitive that you could
>> obviously settle for an f/4 lens, as is the case with FF DLSRs with
>> typical
>> zooms, and maybe correct for the light fall-off far from the axis in
>> software, which should loosen the constraints. The Sony RX1 is a step in
>> this direction but the body is about 1 cm larger in height and width than
>> the RX100, and the big lens gives the camera twice the depth?without being
>> interchangeable, or a zoom, or f/1.4.
>>
>> I'm just sayin'.
>>
>> ?howard
>>
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>
>
> --
> // richard 
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> >
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Don
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