Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/11/29

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Subject: [Leica] Subject: Re: Fuji X 100 versus Leica M9
From: photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 21:59:25 +0100
References: <CCDD2F51.26E9E%mark@rabinergroup.com>

While you guys read dpreview, I take pictures.

Nathan Wajsman
Alicante, Spain
http://www.frozenlight.eu
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YNWA




On Nov 29, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote:

> http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx1
> 
> " The body of the RX1 is clearly smaller (than the fuji X 100) but the lens
> (which is actually 35mm, rather than being equivalent to 35mm) is longer.
> Neither of these cameras is pocketable, but equally, neither is anywhere
> near as large or obvious as a DSLR."
> 
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photography
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> 
> 
>> From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:59:32 -0500
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Subject: Re: Fuji X 100 versus Leica M9
>> 
>> Sorry for being unclear I know that the RX1 is in one respect not the
>> digital Rollei 35 and or Oly XA as it would not fit in a jeans pocket like
>> they can.
>> (its the 1.5 crop bodies coming out in the next year which I expect to fit
>> in a jeans pocket)
>> 
>> The lens though overwhelms me and in really a good way.
>> Yes that might be the aspect of the system which makes it not pocketable.
>> But what a lens!
>> I think their thought is to make it worthy of a lens which is not
>> interchangeable.
>> My God is it gorgeous! It takes my breath away!
>> Possibly a classic like the Zeiss 40mm Tessar and then Sonar that came 
>> with
>> the Rollei 35. (I have the Tessar from the first year of manufacture in
>> Germany)
>> How could a lens that gorgeous not make premium images is my only
>> impression.
>> 
>> By the way you can fully see the lens here and also the camera compared to
>> the Fuji.
>> http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx1/images/comparedtofuj
>> i_top.jpg
>> 
>> http://tinyurl.com/d2c2ry4
>> 
>> To me it bears the verisimilitude of a real camera.
>> And I spelt that right the first time...
>> 
>> In a way its about the same size but in a way its a tad smaller. A lot 
>> less
>> long from side to side. But fatter.
>> So in a way were looking at a smaller body but with a larger sensor.
>> 
>> Smaller body 
>> Larger sensor
>> Both at once.
>> Big news.
>> 
>> And full frame compacts from the rest of the industry are sure to be 
>> nipping
>> at its heels and some will be smaller. And I expect some will be even
>> pocketable.
>> I'm excited!
>> 
>> The hang up was not technology. It was the marketing people.
>> They just didn't think a small full frame compact at a full DSLR price 
>> point
>> would go over.
>> It think they're going to be proved way wrong and they know that already 
>> as
>> I'm betting Nikon, Canon, Oly, Panasonic and maybe even Leica has a full
>> frame compact halfway down the drawing boards.
>> I don't think wishful thinking but we'll find out soon enough.
>> 
>> Mark William Rabiner
>> Photography
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>> 
>> 
>>> From: John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz>
>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 19:26:07 +0000
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Subject: Re: Fuji X 100 versus Leica M9
>>> 
>>> I am assuming that you have at least seen pictures of the  RX1? While its
>>> body
>>> may be a little smaller than the X100 (which has both optical and 
>>> electronic
>>> viewfinders built in) its lens is huge, the bare RX1 lens sticks out 
>>> further
>>> and far wider than the X100 with hood. I would not expect it to fit in my
>>> jeans pocket, possibly into lower pockets on cargo pants......
>>> 
>>> 
> http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx1/images/comparedtofuji>>
> _
>>> top.jpg
>>> 
>>> This shot also shows that the Sony has no shutter speed dial
>>> 
>>> john
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> 
>>>> If they're going to make smaller than full frame compacts they are 
>>>> going to
>>>> have to be truly pocketable.
>>> 
>>>> They have to not almost fit in your pocket like an RX1 does.
>>>> They have to fit in your jeans pocket.
>>> 
>>> 
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Replies: Reply from jhnichols at lighttube.net (Jim Nichols) ([Leica] Subject: Re: Fuji X 100 versus Leica M9)
In reply to: Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] Subject: Re: Fuji X 100 versus Leica M9)