Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/11/30
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Wow, that's an incredibly high percentage of less than perfect cameras? I'm very lucky, my M8 is solid as a brick and has been through different climates ranging from Sahel with sand storms to tropical rainy climates - occasional beer-bars or refugee camp in between. The only bad things I have to say about that camera is that its buffer is less than professional and the cropped frames were a bit difficult to get used to. I'm at about 60K pictures since 2008 with the M8 and it's still working flawlessly? I agree with you, at that price it should be perfect! All the best from Paris! Tarek ------------------------------------------------- Tarek Charara <http://www.tarekcharara.com> NO ARCHIVE Le 30 nov. 2012 ? 06:48, Phil Forrest a ?crit : > Nope, won't happen. > The Leica M9 failure rate was far too high for news professionals to > consider using them for work. It's a fun hobby camera but for the hard > working journalist, the Leica doesn't cut it. Both my M8 and M9 spent > about 40% of the time I owned them out at Leica for repairs. I > personally know owners of a total of nine other M9s in the Philadelphia > area and every single one of them had to go back to Leica a few times. > One of my friends went through three shutters in his M8 then two > shutters and a sensor in his M9. And he's a working pro in Philly who > luckily has Canon gear for backup but while his Leica was out at the > factory, the backup became the regular camera. > > All of the digital Leicas I have seen have had to have sensors remapped > or replaced due to the hot pixel / vertical line issues. So, about 20 > digital Leica M bodies in the Philly area that are owned by > acquaintances of mine and 100% of them had to be repaired. Not reliable > enough for a premium product. For a camera that costs that much, it > should not only be reliable, it should be PERFECT. > > You said the M9 was going to be the game changer a few years ago, Mark. > It didn't happen. It drove myself and two of my friends AWAY from Leica > as a matter of fact due to their incredible expense, slow service, and > then their declining support for the still excellent M8. > > So again, we won't see Leicas taking their place in the journalism > world. Everyone knew the rangefinder was on its way out by 1960, so > why would that change today? > > Phil Forrest > > > On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:58:56 -0500 > Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > >> I do think though the M9 worked and the M is going to work a whole lot >> better and there are a huge amount of used Leica glass out there in a >> gamut of price points. Pros are familiar with what Leica rangefinders >> have done in the not too distant past and will be interested like >> they always have in what that might add to their work. I think the M >> is going to be a huge success for Leica and we'll be seeing articles >> about pros using them for jobs. We didn't wee that with the M9. We >> will see it with the M. Imagine shooting an f1 lens @ iso 6400! And >> video clips. I think the new M will get Pro support in the market; >> and Leica will be back in the hot spot at least where they were in >> the 90's. When sure a small amount of shooter used Leica but in each >> group there usually was at least one. >> >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photography >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> >> >>> From: Chris Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:52:31 -0500 >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use >>> >>> Nikon and Canon digital SLRs are used by 99% of the world's >>> professionals. Why? Because they're extremely reliable, have >>> extensive lens and accessory systems, and those companies are the >>> cutting edge technological leaders....and despite all that, they >>> cost less than Leicas. >>> >>> Professional photographers of all types are hurting economically >>> today, and that is especially true of journalists. They're poorly >>> paid, and newspapers have been shedding staff photographers to save >>> money. Leica has simply priced itself out of the professional >>> market. It really is that simple. On top of that, Leica's digital >>> cameras have had a lot of well-publicised technical and reliability >>> problems. Pros need cameras that "Just Work", every time. Canon and >>> Nikon cameras "Just Work". The lenses are affordable. The image >>> quality is magnificent. Using Nikon or Canon is a no-brainer. >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Crawford >>> Fine Art Photography >>> Fort Wayne, Indiana >>> 260-437-8990 >>> >>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >>> >>> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >>> >>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 >>> Become a fan on Facebook >>> >>> >>> >>> On 11/29/12 8:41 PM, "David Ching" <davidhhching1 at yahoo.com.sg> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Come on, don't tease, tell us all. Which one/s? Why, if you know >>>> the reasons. >>>> >>>> And why not Leicas? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> David Ching >>>> > > > -- > http://philipforrestphoto.wordpress.com/ > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/philforrest > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information