Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/11/30

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Subject: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:16:36 -0500

A classic "kit" as the Brits say is to have a Leica hanging off one shoulder
with a JSK 21mm  SA on it (super Angulon) ( Joseph Schneider Kreuznach)
(f3.4)
With an F and a 105 2.5 hanging off the other shoulder.
Leicas and Nikons go together like peanut butter and jelly.
Maybe a 180 2.8 after 1970

Leica rules wide angle shooting and an SLR is certainly great with a tele
and a groundglass.
You can mix and match brands. You don't die.
Also nice to have a twin lens Rolleiflex floating around your camera bag.
It's a brick which takes pictures.
Squares. Nice ones. Big ones. 12 of them.

Mark William Rabiner
Photography
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/


> From: leo wesson <leowesson at gmail.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 07:43:55 -0600
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use
> 
> Long lenses are the reason I shoot professionally with Nikons. If I didn't
> have that need, I wouldn't own DSLRs. I'd be all M9.
> 
> Leo Wesson
> www.leowesson.com
> 
> On Nov 30, 2012, at 6:29, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> wrote:
> 
>> One of my M8's has been back to Leica after I dropped in on a marble floor
>> in India.  Both of them were under water in Honduras.  My M9 has never 
>> been
>> back except to have the Noctilux matched to it.  I guess I'm just lucky!
>> 
>> Tina
>> 
>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:48 AM, Phil Forrest
>> <photo.forrest at earthlink.net>wrote:
>> 
>>> Nope, won't happen.
>>> The Leica M9 failure rate was far too high for news professionals to
>>> consider using them for work. It's a fun hobby camera but for the hard
>>> working journalist, the Leica doesn't cut it. Both my M8 and M9 spent
>>> about 40% of the time I owned them out at Leica for repairs. I
>>> personally know owners of a total of nine other M9s in the Philadelphia
>>> area and every single one of them had to go back to Leica a few times.
>>> One of my friends went through three shutters in his M8 then two
>>> shutters and a sensor in his M9. And he's a working pro in Philly who
>>> luckily has Canon gear for backup but while his Leica was out at the
>>> factory, the backup became the regular camera.
>>> 
>>> All of the digital Leicas I have seen have had to have sensors remapped
>>> or replaced due to the hot pixel / vertical line issues. So, about 20
>>> digital Leica M bodies in the Philly area that are owned by
>>> acquaintances of mine and 100% of them had to be repaired. Not reliable
>>> enough for a premium product. For a camera that costs that much, it
>>> should not only be reliable, it should be PERFECT.
>>> 
>>> You said the M9 was going to be the game changer a few years ago, Mark.
>>> It didn't happen. It drove myself and two of my friends AWAY from Leica
>>> as a matter of fact due to their incredible expense, slow service, and
>>> then their declining support for the still excellent M8.
>>> 
>>> So again, we won't see Leicas taking their place in the journalism
>>> world. Everyone knew the rangefinder was on its way out by 1960, so
>>> why would that change today?
>>> 
>>> Phil Forrest
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:58:56 -0500
>>> Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I do think though the M9 worked and the M is going to work a whole lot
>>>> better and there are a huge amount of used Leica glass out there in a
>>>> gamut of price points. Pros are familiar with what Leica rangefinders
>>>> have done in the not too distant past and will be interested like
>>>> they always have in what that might add to their work. I think the M
>>>> is going to be a huge success for Leica and we'll be seeing articles
>>>> about pros using them for jobs. We didn't wee that with the M9. We
>>>> will see it with the M. Imagine shooting an f1 lens @ iso 6400! And
>>>> video clips. I think the new M will get Pro support in the market;
>>>> and Leica will be back in the hot spot at least where they were in
>>>> the 90's. When sure a small amount of shooter used Leica but in each
>>>> group there usually was at least one.
>>>> 
>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>> Photography
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> From: Chris Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com>
>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:52:31 -0500
>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nikon and Canon digital SLRs are used by 99% of the world's
>>>>> professionals. Why? Because they're extremely reliable, have
>>>>> extensive lens and accessory systems, and those companies are the
>>>>> cutting edge technological leaders....and despite all that, they
>>>>> cost less than Leicas.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Professional photographers of all types are hurting economically
>>>>> today, and that is especially true of journalists. They're poorly
>>>>> paid, and newspapers have been shedding staff photographers to save
>>>>> money. Leica has simply priced itself out of the professional
>>>>> market. It really is that simple. On top of that, Leica's digital
>>>>> cameras have had a lot of well-publicised technical and reliability
>>>>> problems. Pros need cameras that "Just Work", every time. Canon and
>>>>> Nikon cameras "Just Work". The lenses are affordable. The image
>>>>> quality is magnificent. Using Nikon or Canon is a no-brainer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris Crawford
>>>>> Fine Art Photography
>>>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
>>>>> 260-437-8990
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work!
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
>>>>> Become a fan on Facebook
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/29/12 8:41 PM, "David Ching" <davidhhching1 at yahoo.com.sg>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Come on, don't tease, tell us all. Which one/s? Why, if you know
>>>>>> the reasons.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And why not Leicas?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David Ching
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> 
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>> 
>> -- 
>> Tina Manley, ASMP
>> www.tinamanley.com
>> 
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