Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/12/01
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Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > From: John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 21:18:51 +0000 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use > > I am quite happy to be wrong, just I doubt it ;-) Are you saying that I am > not > a Leica lover? > > john > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> John you're just a Love and Leica lovers will hope you're wrong. >> >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photography >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> >> >>> >>> I think you will find that few (anybody?) who will be backing Mark's >>> view for the Leica resurgence in the pro/photojournalist market..... >>> >>> john >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >>>> Time will tell. Shall we set a date and start a LUG pool? >>>> >>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone >>>> >>>> ----- Reply message ----- >>>> >>>> I agree Frank the M8 and 9 were a great thing for Leica and a success >>>> from many angles. Has kept them in the game and selling lenses and >>>> making a profit. They only area it has been less successful is its >>>> market has not included top visible pros so they were forced to do >>>> some deal with Magnum to pay them to use the gear and it was an >> awkward PR move. >>>> As I said I am hoping and I do believe it will be true that the >>>> Digital M with its CMOS sensor and ability to match current DSLR'S in >>>> iso range and everything else will change that. We'll see like in the >>>> 1990s a fair amount of top shooters using them. One in every pack. >>>> As it stands now we are not seeing a fair amount of top shooters >>>> using them not present company excluded. So that will be nice when >>>> that is no longer the case. >>>> >>>> Leica has always depended on the fact that though it may be called >>>> antiquated by the madding masses it has been the whole time used by a >>>> select group of very top pros and very top amateurs. But the m8 m9 >>>> era did not include this. >>>> >>>> I am excited about the New Leica Digital numberless M and where Leica >>>> is headed. >>>> >>>> By the way I've not heard anything about the S system not working out >>>> in any way. I think its way too early to tell and all signs point to >>>> its taking over the modern photo universe and leaving no prisoners. I >>>> think it will significantly edge into the Fuji Hasselblad medium >>>> format world. As seen when we watched Steve McCurry shoot in Rio the >>>> babes and interesting women. >>>> >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> Photography >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com> >>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 09:25:16 +0000 >>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use >>>>> >>>>> The digital Leica Ms have been a fantastic success for Leica. They >>>>> have been in great demand, with months of waiting lists and the >>>>> increase in demand has doubled the used value of some of the lenses. >>>>> The thing that has been a massive failure for Leica has been their >>>>> reflex cameras. However good they are they have never sold in >>>>> sufficient quantity to recoup design, development and tooling costs. >>>>> Being loyal to their R customers nearly bankrupted the company, so >>>>> they were absolutely right (disappointingly) to eventually drop the R. >>>>> In the quantities a Leica reflex is likely to sell the S2 is perhaps >>>>> a good choice. Dearer to develop and make than a 36x24 DSLR, but >>>>> probably not by much, yet possible by virtue of the cache of its >>>>> bigger sensor to sell at a price which gives half a chance of >>>>> washing its face financially. I hope they sell sufficient of them. >>>>> The Nikon F was a watershed camera. It has a massively crude mirror >>>>> and shutter assembly but, guess what, nobody cared and it was solid >>>>> and relatively inexpensive with excellent lenses. It changed >>>>> everything. >>>>> FD >>>>> >>>>> On 30 Nov, 2012, at 22:51, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Leica distanced itself from its large loyal fan base in 1963 after >>>>>> the Nikon F took over in very few years after that it was a niche >>>>>> market which appealed to connoisseurs. >>>>>> Its had 50 years expense in not being on the top of the market but >>>>>> the bottom. Of the mass market that is. Its fairly happy being >>>>>> where it >>>> was. >>>>>> Problem was with the non total success of the digital M's it went >>>>>> lower. >>>>>> Now I think with the digital numberless M its back to where it was >>>>>> in the 90's. Very small but very much there. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>> Photography >>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information