[Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use

[john at mcmaster.co.nz (John McMaster)]

Thanks, however I do not see it as realistic for a pro photographer to buy a 
couple of Leica bodies and a clutch of lenses over a Canikon with f2.8 zooms 
(and f1.4 primes) - the end market is unlikely to see a difference for 
xtimes the investment. I know there is a difference in quality, and possibly 
if a few photographers start to use Leica then others will see the 
difference and 'need' to 'keep up' by buying into it, however it may be a 
few months before they can get what they want whereas almost any camera 
store has the base kit needed for either Japanese marque.

john

> -----Original Message-----
> 
> Not saying you are not a Leica lover. Just a bit of a pessimist where 
> Leica is
> concerned.
> 
> Mark William Rabiner
> Photography
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> 
> 
> >
> > I am quite happy to be wrong, just I doubt it ;-) Are you saying that
> > I am not a Leica lover?
> >
> > john
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>
> >> John you're just a Love and Leica lovers will hope you're wrong.
> >>
> >> Mark William Rabiner
> >> Photography
> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I think you will find that few (anybody?) who will be backing Mark's
> >>> view for the Leica resurgence in the pro/photojournalist market.....
> >>>
> >>> john
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>
> >>>> Time will tell.  Shall we set a date and start a LUG pool?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Reply message -----
> >>>>
> >>>> I agree Frank the M8 and 9 were a great thing for Leica and a
> >>>> success from many angles. Has kept them in the game and selling
> >>>> lenses and making a profit. They only area it has been less
> >>>> successful  is its market has not included top visible pros so they
> >>>> were forced to do some deal with Magnum to pay them to use the
> gear
> >>>> and it was an
> >> awkward PR move.
> >>>> As I said I am hoping and I do believe it will be true that the
> >>>> Digital M with its CMOS sensor and ability to match current DSLR'S
> >>>> in iso range and everything else will change that. We'll see like
> >>>> in the 1990s a fair amount of top shooters using them. One in every
> pack.
> >>>> As it stands now we are not seeing a fair amount of top shooters
> >>>> using them not present company excluded. So that will be nice when
> >>>> that is no longer the case.
> >>>>
> >>>> Leica has always depended on the fact that though it may be called
> >>>> antiquated by the madding masses it has been the whole time used by
> >>>> a select group of very top pros and very top amateurs. But the m8
> >>>> m9 era did not include this.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am excited about the New Leica Digital numberless M and where
> >>>> Leica is headed.
> >>>>
> >>>> By the way I've not heard anything about the S system not working
> >>>> out in any way. I think its way too early to tell and all signs
> >>>> point to its taking over the modern photo universe and leaving no
> >>>> prisoners. I think it will significantly edge into the Fuji
> >>>> Hasselblad medium format world. As seen when we watched Steve
> >>>> McCurry shoot in Rio the babes and interesting women.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark William Rabiner
> >>>> Photography
> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> From: Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com>
> >>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>>>> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 09:25:16 +0000
> >>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The digital Leica Ms have been a fantastic success for Leica. They
> >>>>> have been in great demand, with months of waiting lists and the
> >>>>> increase in demand has doubled the used value of some of the
> lenses.
> >>>>> The thing that has been a massive failure for Leica has been their
> >>>>> reflex cameras. However good they are they have never sold in
> >>>>> sufficient quantity to recoup design, development and tooling costs.
> >>>>> Being loyal to their R customers nearly bankrupted the company, so
> >>>>> they were absolutely right (disappointingly) to eventually drop the 
> >>>>> R.
> >>>>> In the quantities a Leica reflex is likely to sell the S2 is
> >>>>> perhaps a good choice. Dearer to develop and make than a 36x24
> >>>>> DSLR, but probably not by much, yet possible by virtue of the
> >>>>> cache of its bigger sensor to sell at a price which gives half a
> >>>>> chance of washing its face financially. I hope they sell sufficient 
> >>>>> of
> them.
> >>>>> The Nikon F was a watershed camera. It has a massively crude
> >>>>> mirror and shutter assembly but, guess what, nobody cared and it
> >>>>> was solid and relatively inexpensive with excellent lenses. It 
> >>>>> changed
> everything.
> >>>>> FD
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 30 Nov, 2012, at 22:51, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Leica distanced itself from its large loyal fan base in 1963
> >>>>>> after the Nikon F took over in very few years after that it was a
> >>>>>> niche market which appealed to connoisseurs.
> >>>>>> Its had 50 years expense in not being on the top of the market
> >>>>>> but the bottom. Of the mass market that is. Its fairly happy
> >>>>>> being where it
> >>>> was.
> >>>>>> Problem was with the non total success of the digital M's it went
> lower.
> >>>>>> Now I think with the digital numberless M its back to where it
> >>>>>> was in the 90's. Very small but very much there.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mark William Rabiner
> >>>>>> Photography
> >>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> >>>>>