Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/12/03
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Cropped format cameras do not matter when it is the image that counts. Telling yourself otherwise is just rationalization for how much money you paid for the camera. I've owned both full frame and cropped sensor digital cameras and you can't tell which camera made which image with which lens without looking at the metadata. Phil Forrest On Mon, 03 Dec 2012 14:25:23 -0500 Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > HCB is not known to have bothered himself with a half frame camera to > my knowledge. So I think he'd not waste his time with cropped formats > in digital either when a same size camera can be full frame. > We have to remind ourselves that small film cameras were full frame > And up till last week small digital cameras were far from it. > > We are sued to thinking that a real small camera is cool to shoot > with. A Rollei 35 or Oly XA can make a 20x24 indistinguishable from > one made from an F or F1 or OM1 full sized SLR. > > The class of imagery done with cropped cameras is a notch down from > those done with full frame. This for the most part is both the > reality but very importantly the perception. Just like the class of > photography done with medium format digtial camera are a notch UP > from full frame. Just like in It all boils down to acreage. Real > estate. Just like film. Supreme optics is just icing on the cake. > And just the age of the sensor they are learning stuff every day. > A ten year old full frame may be close or even worse than a modern > cropped. > > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > From: Ernest Nitka <charcot at comcast.net> > > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 11:19:38 -0700 > > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use > > > > Mark - why the snobbery about someone using a Nikon with 4 numbers > > vs. 1 or 3 numbers ? Aren't you about the final image and the > > skill of the photographer? So if HCB picked up a Nikon 5200 and I > > picked up a D4 - I know who I'd bet on - not me. > > > > That being said when I sent in the M8 that Ric now has to get a CLA > > - Leica NJ couldn't have been nicer - they called up to tell me > > there would be a slight delay ( ~ 1 week) and that was so nice of > > them to do that. I was very happy with their customer service. > > > > ernie > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Pearce > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:23 AM > > To: Leica Users Group > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use > > > > Mark, > > > > I wouldn't consider what I have said to be "Intensely" negative, > > except to mindless fanboys. It is only my experience. Even in the > > sixties and seventies, I found stores that sold Leicas to be stuffy > > places that only sold their fine wares to the rich. I can remember > > being shooed away from the Leica counter to a Pentax by a salesman > > that considered me unworthy. In have an M9 (the second Leica I have > > owned), and shoot it with pleasure. And to be honest, in the last > > few days, this list has been getting a little too fanboy for my > > taste. I may take a month off. > > > > Bill Pearce > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jon.streeter > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 2:56 AM > > To: Leica Users Group > > Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use > > > > The Leica store in Pasadena did look like a jewelry store, now that > > I think about. > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > > > ----- Reply message ----- > > From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> > > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > > Subject: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use > > Date: Sun, Dec 2, 2012 11:58 pm > > > > > > My Leicas I got from camera world in Portland or B&H in NY or one > > lens from Glazers in Seattle. All look like camera stores and not > > the slightest bit like jewelry stores. Where does stuff like this > > come from I wonder? If ones approach to Leica is so intensely > > negative why involve yourself with it or be on a Leica list? > > > > Mark William Rabiner > > Photography > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > > >> From: Bill Pearce <billcpearce at cox.net> > >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:24:35 -0600 > >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use > >> > >> AS someone who has been a professional since the early seventies, > >> I can tell > >> > > you that film Leicas were always the very most expensive, and > > always sold in > >> > > stores that resembled jewelry stores. This business isn't news. > > There may > >> > > have been a time when Leicas were affordable to pros, but that time > > was the > >> > > forties and fifties. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jon.streeter > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -- http://philipforrestphoto.wordpress.com/ http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/philforrest