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Subject: [Leica] [Lexica] Gun control
From: richard at richardmanphoto.com (Richard Man)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 00:42:14 -0800
References: <CAF8hL-GqXY2+fPfU8R1XM-3_ky7pK6wfhwOg8B_EPsqnCiT_BQ@mail.gmail.com> <CCF1A147.1F5A%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Worldwide. Actually, the figures for *$ has gone up to about 20,000 and the
# if gun stores are "only" 50,000.

The point isn't to make a scientific comparison, the point is if you ask
any one on the street to make a guess, they would not have guessed
correctly.

This country has skewed priority.


On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 12:38 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at 
rabinergroup.com>wrote:

> # of Starbucks in US?
>
>
> On 12/15/12 3:03 AM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote:
>
> > # of Starbucks worldwide : less than 18,000
> > # of gun stores in US : more than 130,000
> >
> > Any questions?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:58 PM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu
> >wrote:
> >
> >> I hope that you are right and that I am wrong. But I believe otherwise,
> >> sadly.
> >>
> >> Nathan Wajsman
> >> Alicante, Spain
> >> http://www.frozenlight.eu
> >> http://www.greatpix.eu
> >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
> >> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
> >>
> >>
> >> YNWA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Dec 15, 2012, at 8:12 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
> >>
> >>> My gut feeling is you're wrong too many children on both American
> coasts
> >>> have just died I've just seen the photo of Obama's face in the news.
> >>>
> >>> Was reading an economic thing yesterday. Not so good but private arms
> >> sales
> >>> in the USA are way up. Why? Because they know the writing is on the
> wall.
> >>> This is their last chance to put finishing touches on their beloved
> >>> arsenals.
> >>> I think in a week and a month our blood will still be up.
> >>> And the NRA goes down.
> >>> And in a year.
> >>> The anti gun legislation papers will have to be wrestled from Obama's
> >> cold
> >>> dead hands. Americans are going to be taking to the streets and I'm
> >> going to
> >>> be one of them.
> >>>
> >>> This stuff happening  now happens nowhere else in the world.
> >>> Constant people being shot.
> >>> I think I will be great for tourism as right now we are viewed by the
> >> entire
> >>> world as a bunch of gun nuts. And they're right. But think its time has
> >>> come. We're going to have more people not afraid to come visit here.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 12/15/12 1:47 AM, "Nathan Wajsman" <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Most European countries have those rights and more.
> >>>>
> >>>> But anyway, it is a useless debate. The NRA has too much political
> >> power and
> >>>> the gun culture is too deeply ingrained in the US for anything to
> >> change.
> >>>> There will be outrage and sorrow for a few days, but it will die down
> >> and our
> >>>> collective attention will move on to something else.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Nathan Wajsman
> >>>> Alicante, Spain
> >>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
> >>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
> >>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
> >>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> YNWA
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Dec 15, 2012, at 7:29 AM, Phil Forrest wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Most countries in the East also don't have the freedoms of speech,
> >>>>> religion, press like we do here. Right to due process of law.
> Innocence
> >>>>> until proven guilty by a jury of one's peers. Right to a speedy
> trial.
> >>>>> Right to be secure in one's effects. Equal protection under the law
> for
> >>>>> all citizens. Right to vote. The list goes down the Bill of Rights
> and
> >>>>> through the rest of the US Constitution. No matter what nation says
> >>>>> they have it right, they are wrong. Nobody is perfect, including the
> >>>>> USA but here in the USA we have these rights and many are willing to
> >>>>> give their lives to protect them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Phil Forrest
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:11:42 +0800
> >>>>> David Ching <davidhhching1 at yahoo.com.sg> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Most countries in the East ban possession of fire-arms by
> individuals
> >>>>>> and unlicensed bodies. Schools here do not have metal detectors.
> >>>>>> The students in general study in safe environments little affected
> by
> >>>>>> violence, drugs or extortion. Only bullying by peers rears its ugly
> >>>>>> head in certain schools. We watch the same violent movies. Have the
> >>>>>> same concerns about safety. This is the 21st century. Why does
> >>>>>> Americans need to have guns for self-protection? Stop shooting games
> >>>>>> & hunting with bullets. 'Shoot' with glass! Capture not kill not
> >>>>>> maim. It's time to act when little innocent kids get killed and
> >>>>>> scarred for life.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It's indeed a very sad day in the history of the USA. And I am
> >>>>>> certain some other shooter will try to outdo this latest insane act.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mark, the firearms industry and gun toting lovers will always defend
> >>>>>> the right to arms. Until one of their kind is personally affected, I
> >>>>>> suppose. Sorry but I don't see the logic. Perhaps our differences in
> >>>>>> lifestyles account for this madness. It's not matter of the East
> >>>>>> versus the West. The Europeans do not bear arms.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As I see it, the only way out is a total ban on guns for the
> civilian
> >>>>>> population. Of course with the usual exceptions..
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> David Ching
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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// richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>


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