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Subject: [Leica] Winogrand exhibit
From: jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 07:53:08 +0530
References: <CAF8hL-HHDizU_1HyQYnGw7ZMEFLHvfOiELXd8_WyboJG=i6JJg@mail.gmail.com> <CDB0744C.92D0%mark@rabinergroup.com> <CAF8hL-Fot52sRmd6JQrknM7uWUsvZ66iqgnf6FkGuuH2vzBvJw@mail.gmail.com>

I can see why...(-:
Cheers
Jayanand


On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Richard Man <richard at 
richardmanphoto.com>wrote:

> Nope, THAT image is particularly controversial (whether he intends it or
> not is another matter). And nope, I just google image his name, and other
> than THAT one, I still do not see images of people of color.
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I just Google contact sheeted Garry Winogrand .
> > The every first pic which comes up involves people of color.
> >  and the 3rd and 5th shots So it seems to be a pattern here in which
> every
> > other pix involves a person of color.
> > It seems he was not ignoring them. Would seem to have no problem with
> other
> > than white people during an era of the civil rights movement in which
> you'd
> > have to be very blind to not be having a lot of empathy with that
> struggle
> > and probably be a bit involved yourself....
> > A key shot which comes up often is this one:
> > http://www.thephoblographer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/winogrand.jpg
> >
> >
> > On 5/7/13 12:35 AM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I will just let the observation stands - there's no Asian and few
> African
> > > Americans in his vast collection of photos (that we know of).
> > >
> > > Whether it's a subject worth analyzing or not is another matter.
> Probably
> > > not.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Well, he certainly had a lot of skill, and what we see is the result
> of
> > a
> > >> lot of editing. We don't know for a fact who or what everything was
> > that he
> > >> actually photographed. Ok, ok; I know ... same difference ... move the
> > >> argument over to what we actually see after edits. I don't understand
> > the
> > >> kind of bias you're hinting at. If someone shoots cowboy shows, which
> he
> > >> did, would that make him biased against antique fairs? I also don't
> > think
> > >> of criticism as a form of acknowledgement or recognition.
> > >> It's like "Criticize me!! That way I'll at least know you know I'm
> > >> here."  Good criticism is way more than this. Poor people and rich
> > people
> > >> don't go in for this sort of attention and neither do I, although I'm
> > >> neither.
> > >>
> > >> -Lew Schwartz
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Richard Man <
> > richard at richardmanphoto.com
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Lew, may be it's a form of approval,... or may be it is a form of
> color
> > >>> blindness. Come on, during the long period he photographed, from 40s
> to
> > >>> 80s, there were no interesting, even people to be critical about, of
> > >> other
> > >>> races that he had met or seen?
> > >>>
> > >>> We are not talking someone who takes 100 pictures or even 1000
> > pictures a
> > >>> year. In that case, what do you expect type of thing. He takes 100
> > >> pictures
> > >>> a day easily. If you roam the streets of LA, or NY etc. and take that
> > >> many
> > >>> pictures, it takes skills not to take pictures of people of colors or
> > >>> Asians...
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I'm not sure I entirely understand Richards remarks. Winogrand never
> > >>>> represented himself to be a news photographer, although he
> undoubtedly
> > >>> took
> > >>>> assignments and was presented to the public under that rubric. I've
> > >>> always
> > >>>> thought of him as highly critical of the society he photographed.
> His
> > >>>> omissions may be a form of approval.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -Lew Schwartz
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Phil Swango <pswango at att.net>
> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Richard Man wrote:
> > >>>>>> Winograd is not my favorite street artist, mainly because it's the
> > >>> same
> > >>>>>> type of photos he shot. For example, the periods he covered
> > >> included
> > >>>> the
> > >>>>>> civil rights movement and of all the hundreds of photos in the
> > >> show,
> > >>>>> there
> > >>>>>> are may be 3-4 photos where African American are present, and as
> > >> far
> > >>> as
> > >>>>> we
> > >>>>>> can tell, exactly one photo where there is an Asian present - and
> > >>> only
> > >>>>>> because she was pretty and had goofy hair.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Interesting thoughts Richard.  We just had a lecture in the local
> > >>> museum
> > >>>>> about race, representation and photography.  There's also an
> > >>> interesting
> > >>>>> new book in which an AA female photographer shoots her white
> friends
> > >>> and
> > >>>>> muses on whether and how race may figure into reading the photo.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/22/some-of-her-best-friends-are-white/
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If the link doesn't work look up Myra Greene.  The book is "My
> White
> > >>>>> Friends."  I've ordered it.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
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