Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/05/08
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]http://blog.ricecracker.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Winogrand-contact-she et-950x811.jpg Or http://tinyurl.com/c2ppuu3 A really tasteless personally integrity slight against one of our great photographers. One could look a the work of Diane Arbus and Lee Friedlander and count the non white faces and make cracks about them it would be just as crassly ridiculous. Did Winogrand avoid getting non white faces in his camera frame? Just what are you saying here? On 5/8/13 9:44 PM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote: > Nope, THAT image is particularly controversial (whether he intends it or > not is another matter). And nope, I just google image his name, and other > than THAT one, I still do not see images of people of color. > > > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > wrote: > >> I just Google contact sheeted Garry Winogrand . >> The every first pic which comes up involves people of color. >> and the 3rd and 5th shots So it seems to be a pattern here in which every >> other pix involves a person of color. >> It seems he was not ignoring them. Would seem to have no problem with >> other >> than white people during an era of the civil rights movement in which >> you'd >> have to be very blind to not be having a lot of empathy with that struggle >> and probably be a bit involved yourself.... >> A key shot which comes up often is this one: >> http://www.thephoblographer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/winogrand.jpg >> >> >> On 5/7/13 12:35 AM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote: >> >>> I will just let the observation stands - there's no Asian and few African >>> Americans in his vast collection of photos (that we know of). >>> >>> Whether it's a subject worth analyzing or not is another matter. Probably >>> not. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Well, he certainly had a lot of skill, and what we see is the result of >> a >>>> lot of editing. We don't know for a fact who or what everything was >> that he >>>> actually photographed. Ok, ok; I know ... same difference ... move the >>>> argument over to what we actually see after edits. I don't understand >> the >>>> kind of bias you're hinting at. If someone shoots cowboy shows, which he >>>> did, would that make him biased against antique fairs? I also don't >> think >>>> of criticism as a form of acknowledgement or recognition. >>>> It's like "Criticize me!! That way I'll at least know you know I'm >>>> here." Good criticism is way more than this. Poor people and rich >> people >>>> don't go in for this sort of attention and neither do I, although I'm >>>> neither. >>>> >>>> -Lew Schwartz >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Richard Man < >> richard at richardmanphoto.com >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Lew, may be it's a form of approval,... or may be it is a form of color >>>>> blindness. Come on, during the long period he photographed, from 40s to >>>>> 80s, there were no interesting, even people to be critical about, of >>>> other >>>>> races that he had met or seen? >>>>> >>>>> We are not talking someone who takes 100 pictures or even 1000 >> pictures a >>>>> year. In that case, what do you expect type of thing. He takes 100 >>>> pictures >>>>> a day easily. If you roam the streets of LA, or NY etc. and take that >>>> many >>>>> pictures, it takes skills not to take pictures of people of colors or >>>>> Asians... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure I entirely understand Richards remarks. Winogrand never >>>>>> represented himself to be a news photographer, although he undoubtedly >>>>> took >>>>>> assignments and was presented to the public under that rubric. I've >>>>> always >>>>>> thought of him as highly critical of the society he photographed. His >>>>>> omissions may be a form of approval. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Lew Schwartz >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Phil Swango <pswango at att.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Richard Man wrote: >>>>>>>> Winograd is not my favorite street artist, mainly because it's the >>>>> same >>>>>>>> type of photos he shot. For example, the periods he covered >>>> included >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> civil rights movement and of all the hundreds of photos in the >>>> show, >>>>>>> there >>>>>>>> are may be 3-4 photos where African American are present, and as >>>> far >>>>> as >>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> can tell, exactly one photo where there is an Asian present - and >>>>> only >>>>>>>> because she was pretty and had goofy hair. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Interesting thoughts Richard. We just had a lecture in the local >>>>> museum >>>>>>> about race, representation and photography. There's also an >>>>> interesting >>>>>>> new book in which an AA female photographer shoots her white friends >>>>> and >>>>>>> muses on whether and how race may figure into reading the photo. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/22/some-of-her-best-friends-are-white/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If the link doesn't work look up Myra Greene. The book is "My White >>>>>>> Friends." I've ordered it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Phil Swango >>>>>>> 307 Aliso Dr SE >>>>>>> Albuquerque, NM 87108 >>>>>>> 505-262-4085 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> >>>>> // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photography >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > -- Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/