Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/05/08
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Mark, have you SEEN the exhibit? How can you tell anything from a contact sheet JPG that is dark and muddy? Besides, you are the one making accusation, I am making an observation. On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > > http://blog.ricecracker.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Winogrand-contact-she > et-950x811.jpg > Or > http://tinyurl.com/c2ppuu3 > > A really tasteless personally integrity slight against one of our great > photographers. One could look a the work of Diane Arbus and Lee Friedlander > and count the non white faces and make cracks about them it would be just > as > crassly ridiculous. > Did Winogrand avoid getting non white faces in his camera frame? Just what > are you saying here? > > > > > On 5/8/13 9:44 PM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote: > > > Nope, THAT image is particularly controversial (whether he intends it or > > not is another matter). And nope, I just google image his name, and other > > than THAT one, I still do not see images of people of color. > > > > > > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > wrote: > > > >> I just Google contact sheeted Garry Winogrand . > >> The every first pic which comes up involves people of color. > >> and the 3rd and 5th shots So it seems to be a pattern here in which > every > >> other pix involves a person of color. > >> It seems he was not ignoring them. Would seem to have no problem with > other > >> than white people during an era of the civil rights movement in which > you'd > >> have to be very blind to not be having a lot of empathy with that > struggle > >> and probably be a bit involved yourself.... > >> A key shot which comes up often is this one: > >> > http://www.thephoblographer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/winogrand.jpg > >> > >> > >> On 5/7/13 12:35 AM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I will just let the observation stands - there's no Asian and few > African > >>> Americans in his vast collection of photos (that we know of). > >>> > >>> Whether it's a subject worth analyzing or not is another matter. > Probably > >>> not. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> Well, he certainly had a lot of skill, and what we see is the result > of > >> a > >>>> lot of editing. We don't know for a fact who or what everything was > >> that he > >>>> actually photographed. Ok, ok; I know ... same difference ... move the > >>>> argument over to what we actually see after edits. I don't understand > >> the > >>>> kind of bias you're hinting at. If someone shoots cowboy shows, which > he > >>>> did, would that make him biased against antique fairs? I also don't > >> think > >>>> of criticism as a form of acknowledgement or recognition. > >>>> It's like "Criticize me!! That way I'll at least know you know I'm > >>>> here." Good criticism is way more than this. Poor people and rich > >> people > >>>> don't go in for this sort of attention and neither do I, although I'm > >>>> neither. > >>>> > >>>> -Lew Schwartz > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Richard Man < > >> richard at richardmanphoto.com > >>>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Lew, may be it's a form of approval,... or may be it is a form of > color > >>>>> blindness. Come on, during the long period he photographed, from 40s > to > >>>>> 80s, there were no interesting, even people to be critical about, of > >>>> other > >>>>> races that he had met or seen? > >>>>> > >>>>> We are not talking someone who takes 100 pictures or even 1000 > >> pictures a > >>>>> year. In that case, what do you expect type of thing. He takes 100 > >>>> pictures > >>>>> a day easily. If you roam the streets of LA, or NY etc. and take that > >>>> many > >>>>> pictures, it takes skills not to take pictures of people of colors or > >>>>> Asians... > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I'm not sure I entirely understand Richards remarks. Winogrand never > >>>>>> represented himself to be a news photographer, although he > undoubtedly > >>>>> took > >>>>>> assignments and was presented to the public under that rubric. I've > >>>>> always > >>>>>> thought of him as highly critical of the society he photographed. > His > >>>>>> omissions may be a form of approval. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -Lew Schwartz > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Phil Swango <pswango at att.net> > wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Richard Man wrote: > >>>>>>>> Winograd is not my favorite street artist, mainly because it's the > >>>>> same > >>>>>>>> type of photos he shot. For example, the periods he covered > >>>> included > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> civil rights movement and of all the hundreds of photos in the > >>>> show, > >>>>>>> there > >>>>>>>> are may be 3-4 photos where African American are present, and as > >>>> far > >>>>> as > >>>>>>> we > >>>>>>>> can tell, exactly one photo where there is an Asian present - and > >>>>> only > >>>>>>>> because she was pretty and had goofy hair. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Interesting thoughts Richard. We just had a lecture in the local > >>>>> museum > >>>>>>> about race, representation and photography. There's also an > >>>>> interesting > >>>>>>> new book in which an AA female photographer shoots her white > friends > >>>>> and > >>>>>>> muses on whether and how race may figure into reading the photo. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >> > http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/22/some-of-her-best-friends-are-white/ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If the link doesn't work look up Myra Greene. The book is "My > White > >>>>>>> Friends." I've ordered it. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Phil Swango > >>>>>>> 307 Aliso Dr SE > >>>>>>> Albuquerque, NM 87108 > >>>>>>> 505-262-4085 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> > >>>>> // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Mark William Rabiner > >> Photography > >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto