Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/06/02
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I think the original color could have been changed to black and white preserving more of the values, but of course I love both cameras and have never seen or touched either! Curt CB's Ipad On Jun 2, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Dante Stella <dstella1 at ameritech.net> wrote: > Surprisingly little difference. > > Dante > > On Jun 2, 2013, at 12:55 PM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> wrote: > >> What do you think? >> >> Tina >> >> >> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> >> wrote: >> >>> I did that: >>> >>> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/146447879 >>> >>> Converted with Silver Efex from >>> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/146427043 >>> >>> Compared to MM >>> >>> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/146427044 >>> >>> I prefer the MM. >>> >>> Tina >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Herbert Kanner <kanner at acm.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> It would be interesting to see a comparison of the same picture done a) >>>> with a Monochrome and b) with an M9 and converted to B&W with the best >>>> software, which I assume is probably not LR. >>>> >>>> Herbert Kanner >>>> kanner at acm.org >>>> 650-326-8204 >>>> >>>> Question authority and the authorities will question you. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jun 1, 2013, at 4:06 PM, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Friday I went to Samy's in Los Angeles where they had just received >>>>> their demo M. I was able to play with it for about 1-1/2 hours using my >>>>> lenses and SD card, but just inside the store in the Leica section. >>>> What I >>>>> noted was: >>>>> >>>>> Good: >>>>> 1. The smoothness of the shutter is wonderful. No "kick" back on my >>>>> finger, like in the M8 and to a lesser degree the M9. Buttery, quiet >>>> and no >>>>> noticeable lag. EXTREMELY impressed! >>>>> 2. The averaging (matrix) metering mode works very well. I had it on >>>> the >>>>> classic mode for some shots and the highlights were blown because there >>>> was >>>>> a lot of black wall which metered gray. On the new "Advanced" mode it >>>>> figured this out and I got a decent histogram. >>>>> 3. The rangefinder is crisp and accurate. Lines were white for mine >>>> and >>>>> easy to see/use. >>>>> 4. The files are bigger (duh) >>>>> 5. The shutter response time, when not using live view/focus peaking, >>>>> seemed faster than the M9. It was certainly noticeably quieter. >>>>> 6. With live view, when you turn the lens to focus, the live view >>>> goes to >>>>> the same magnification level (0, 5X or 10X) that you last used. >>>>> 7. Live view, through the EVF, does show depth of field. >>>>> 8. Nice LCD screen on the back, though I would not use it except to >>>> see >>>>> the histogram... >>>>> 9. The camera feels very nice in your hands. Definitely a Leica M. >>>>> The >>>>> thumb ridge is great. >>>>> 10. Base plate is much sturdier; not tinny as on the M9. >>>>> >>>>> Not so good: >>>>> 1. Focus peaking did not work for me on eyes. For portraits of non >>>> moving >>>>> folks, you can use live view to see your focus on the eyes, >>>> etc.(especially >>>>> magnified 5 or 10X) and also see your DOF, but no focus peeking >>>> indicators >>>>> showed where the focus was. >>>>> 2. Live view does not magnify after turning the lens until after a >>>> very >>>>> noticeable pause; my guess is about 1 second. A real delay... >>>>> 3. There is a noticeable shutter release lag when using live view. >>>> VERY >>>>> noticeable. From what I've read, the shutter is open for live view and >>>> must >>>>> close and then fire. In rangefinder mode, as noted above, there is >>>>> absolutely no lag. >>>>> 4. ISO above 1600 (even 1/2 stop more at 2000) is not useful. Just a >>>>> really big difference between 1600 and 2000 to the dark areas showing >>>> large >>>>> blotches. >>>>> 5. I had trouble finding how to set EV (I usually shoot at -1/3 just >>>> to >>>>> ensure I don't blow highlights). Probably my lack of knowledge of the >>>> menu >>>>> system (which has changed), so most likely not the camera's fault... >>>>> >>>>> Conclusion: This camera is every bit an M with minor improvements FOR >>>>> ME >>>>> over the M9, the biggest of which is the sensor size. Live view seems >>>> to be >>>>> made for movie making (which I did not test and would not use) or >>>>> landscapes. Not for street/family shooting. The shutter is sweet. The >>>> ISO >>>>> performance minimally improved. Though I was excited about the camera, >>>>> especially using Live View with focus peeking to shoot my family and >>>> street >>>>> work, it basically is not usable, IMO, for that. The larger sensor does >>>>> nothing for me as this is not my landscape camera. Most likely when my >>>>> number comes up on various dealers' lists to buy the M, I won't. >>>>> >>>>> Of course I have specific uses for my Ms. For my needs, the >>>> improvements I >>>>> saw did not warrant the cost of a replacement for my M9. >>>>> >>>>> Then I tested a Monochrom... I'm trying not to think about what I >>>>> experienced to save my marriage... >>>>> >>>>> Just thought I'd pass this along. Happy to answer any questions. >>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Bob Adler >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tina Manley >>> http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Tina Manley >> http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information