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Subject: [Leica] M Monochrom review in PDN
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 17:26:50 -0400

A highlight is a terrible thing to waste.


On 6/24/13 1:04 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:

> Agree. I expose the histogram the same for digital no matter the format: as
> far to the right with no clipping unless intentional. This agrees with both
> yours and Tina's statements.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jun 23, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> 
>> I had read that somehow the medium format digital guys do not expose for 
>> the
>> highs. Cant see why.  I certainly don't change my technique exposure wise
>> when I shoot medium format film. So as  a totally non experienced medium
>> format digital guy I just have to bide my time as wait till I find out the
>> mystery if there is one.
>> 
>> 
>> On 6/23/13 6:28 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Agree. My default is to have EV set at -1/3. With some platforms you can 
>>> set
>>> what pure white is on the in camera histogram. True for the new M240.
>>> Instead
>>> of clipping showing at 255/255/255 you can set it for 250 or 253 or
>>> whatever.
>>> 
>>> There was a big stink about ETTR (expose to the right) awhile ago 
>>> started by
>>> Michael Riechman and Co.  I understood the logic and math, but many 
>>> people
>>> started exposing their histograms and highlights were blown. I remember 
>>> one
>>> fellow who was showing prints with totally blown cloud centers. He 
>>> thought
>>> his
>>> images were fantastic because he had more information to work with 
>>> because
>>> he
>>> had really exposed to the right...
>>> 
>>> So rarely clip is my working mantra: only with bright reflections
>>> intentionally. Shadows have tons more to recover...
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2013, at 9:46 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yes and that's why if what I just clicked is something I really want to
>>>> have
>>>> come out I check the back of the camera to make sure the high tones are
>>>> fully there. Check the histogram even. If not I  set the exposure over 
>>>> ride
>>>> down a bit more and click it again.
>>>> If I click on something in which I totally don't care then maybe I wont
>>>> check it as I'm walking away. And have regretted doing that.
>>>> As why I'm  I shooting it if I don't care? Best to trust our instincts
>>>> I err on the side of under exposure for sure.
>>>> Have great luck in bring up stuff out of the darks. Not the opposite..
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/22/13 11:52 PM, "John McMaster" <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I am not disagreeing with you, but with colour digital it is unusual to
>>>>> have
>>>>> all three colours blown out so some recovery is possible. A blown
>>>>> highlight
>>>>> on
>>>>> a Monochrom is pure white with no tonal recovery, but I have not found 
>>>>> it
>>>>> a
>>>>> huge issue in practice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> john
>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Another thought which caught me on his thing is he says the camera is 
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> tolerant of over exposure.
>>>>>> I'm wondering what camera was he using which WAS tolerant of over
>>>>>> exposure?
>>>>>> As as far as I know all digital cameras are very similar to shooting
>>>>>> slides.
>>>>>> You don't over expose them. You place your high tones carefully and 
>>>>>> let
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> dark tones fall where they may.
>>>>>> A statement like "this camera is not tolerant of over exposure" makes 
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> thing this is not a guy who has gotten into digital really.
>>>>>> I read him widely during the film era. I hope he's really  making the
>>>>>> transition.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/21/13 10:32 AM, "Tina Manley" <images at comporium.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Great review by Mason Resnick!  I agree with almost everything he 
>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tina
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Greg Rubenstein <gcr910 at 
>>>>>>> gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> PDN finally got around to it, I guess.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> http://www.pdnonline.com/gear/Camera-Review-Leica-
>>>>>> 8353.shtml?utm_sour
>>>>>>>> ce=Silve
>>>>>> rpop&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=41858219&utm_term=96312&ut
>>>>>> m_conten
>>>>>>>> t=
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Greg Rubenstein
>>>>> 
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