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Subject: [Leica] M Monochrom review in PDN
From: rgacpa at gmail.com (Bob Adler)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:04:41 -0700
References: <CDED1202.C079%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Agree. I expose the histogram the same for digital no matter the format: as 
far to the right with no clipping unless intentional. This agrees with both 
yours and Tina's statements. 

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 23, 2013, at 5:58 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

> I had read that somehow the medium format digital guys do not expose for 
> the
> highs. Cant see why.  I certainly don't change my technique exposure wise
> when I shoot medium format film. So as  a totally non experienced medium
> format digital guy I just have to bide my time as wait till I find out the
> mystery if there is one.
> 
> 
> On 6/23/13 6:28 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Agree. My default is to have EV set at -1/3. With some platforms you can 
>> set
>> what pure white is on the in camera histogram. True for the new M240. 
>> Instead
>> of clipping showing at 255/255/255 you can set it for 250 or 253 or 
>> whatever.
>> 
>> There was a big stink about ETTR (expose to the right) awhile ago started 
>> by
>> Michael Riechman and Co.  I understood the logic and math, but many people
>> started exposing their histograms and highlights were blown. I remember 
>> one
>> fellow who was showing prints with totally blown cloud centers. He 
>> thought his
>> images were fantastic because he had more information to work with 
>> because he
>> had really exposed to the right...
>> 
>> So rarely clip is my working mantra: only with bright reflections
>> intentionally. Shadows have tons more to recover...
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Jun 22, 2013, at 9:46 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes and that's why if what I just clicked is something I really want to 
>>> have
>>> come out I check the back of the camera to make sure the high tones are
>>> fully there. Check the histogram even. If not I  set the exposure over 
>>> ride
>>> down a bit more and click it again.
>>> If I click on something in which I totally don't care then maybe I wont
>>> check it as I'm walking away. And have regretted doing that.
>>> As why I'm  I shooting it if I don't care? Best to trust our instincts
>>> I err on the side of under exposure for sure.
>>> Have great luck in bring up stuff out of the darks. Not the opposite..
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/22/13 11:52 PM, "John McMaster" <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I am not disagreeing with you, but with colour digital it is unusual to 
>>>> have
>>>> all three colours blown out so some recovery is possible. A blown 
>>>> highlight
>>>> on
>>>> a Monochrom is pure white with no tonal recovery, but I have not found 
>>>> it a
>>>> huge issue in practice.
>>>> 
>>>> john
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> 
>>>>> Another thought which caught me on his thing is he says the camera is 
>>>>> not
>>>>> tolerant of over exposure.
>>>>> I'm wondering what camera was he using which WAS tolerant of over
>>>>> exposure?
>>>>> As as far as I know all digital cameras are very similar to shooting
>>>>> slides.
>>>>> You don't over expose them. You place your high tones carefully and 
>>>>> let the
>>>>> dark tones fall where they may.
>>>>> A statement like "this camera is not tolerant of over exposure" makes 
>>>>> me
>>>>> thing this is not a guy who has gotten into digital really.
>>>>> I read him widely during the film era. I hope he's really  making the
>>>>> transition.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/21/13 10:32 AM, "Tina Manley" <images at comporium.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Great review by Mason Resnick!  I agree with almost everything he says
>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tina
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Greg Rubenstein <gcr910 at 
>>>>>> gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> PDN finally got around to it, I guess.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://www.pdnonline.com/gear/Camera-Review-Leica-
>>>>> 8353.shtml?utm_sour
>>>>>>> ce=Silve
>>>>> rpop&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=41858219&utm_term=96312&ut
>>>>> m_conten
>>>>>>> t=
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Greg Rubenstein
>>>> 
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