Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/06/25

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Subject: [Leica] AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!
From: jhnichols at lighttube.net (Jim Nichols)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 23:07:12 -0500
References: <CDEFDA9B.C24B%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Mark,

In your fantasy land, you never consider the quality one gets for the 
dollars spent.  This is where Fuji kicks butt.  Enough said!

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!


> Well I hope my tone was clear I'm on your side for being the only one to
> mention the Leica brand on the thread I think it was an M240 you
> recommended.
> I was a bit put off by the unanimous consensus to get the Fuji system 
> camera
> on the LUG today. Leica has moved far beyond this now. Cropped systems.
> The fuji is a half assed compromise.
>
> I don't feel if that's what your now saying that the fact that the Fuji is
> sold out that that makes it an item of interest for a list of supposed 
> Leica
> lovers. It just means they made a camera marketed at the masses and is
> succeeding on that account.
> As far as APS-2 1.5x compacts go I'm ok with the ones with non
> interchangeable lenes. The idea of using my set of Leica glass on a 
> cropped
> format with odd balance and limited compatibility does not excite me. But
> quite puts me off.
> The APS-C format is fine for me on a camera which goes into a pants 
> pocket.
> I'd even go the Vario X route though it would need a coat pocket.
> The compact glass on the Leica X2 or Vario are made for that format.
> As are some other ones.
>
> Fujifilm X100s $1,299 1.5 crop
> Leica X2 $1,995  1.5 crop
> Nikon Coolpix A $1,097  1.5 crop
> Ricoh GR $797  1.5 crop
> Sigma DP1, 2 or 3. $999 with a sensor closer to 2x crop.
>
> But the camera to get of course is the Sony RX1 full frame.
> If I was not shooting with an M240 that would be my camera of choice.
>
> I'm afraid at this point I have no patience for an M9 and the money I'd 
> have
> to pay for one. I see it as a failed camera. A nice try, but no cigar.
> The fact that its no longer made speaks for itself.
> It was strike two.
> And strike three is not going to happen for the new digital Leica company
> because the Leica M240 and Monochrom are huge winners taking the company 
> up
> to a higher level which I'm excited about. One in which far more serious
> users are using rangefinder Leica gear.
> And the S Too.
>
> I'm not excited about people on the Leica list talking about a cropped 
> fuji
> as if its a replacement for a full frame M. which it clearly isn't.
> I'd expect to hear such garbage on the fuji list if there is one.
> Or a bunch of computer geeks talking gadgets du jour.
>
>
>
>
> On 6/25/13 6:39 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mark I could be considered biased here ;-)
>> However just suggesting what may work best for Ric whose apparently now
>> facing a large repair bill for a previously repaired M8.  Personally I
>> would be very frustrated in his position and very reluctant to spend more
>> on the M8. I would maybe also be elevating my protest if the repair 
>> agency
>> has said no to a warranty claim. Everyone's circumstance is different and
>> their own of course. My understanding of that shutter problem was that 
>> the
>> slower max speed ones ought to be better. The shutter unit is in any case 
>> a
>> standard Copal unit that has been in many many camera for years including 
>> I
>> think R cameras and the M9 too. I know nothing on any MTBF histories 
>> though.
>> For what it's worth the excellent Fuji cameras are back ordered 
>> everywhere
>> here as well... But you can pick up almost any M lens or a Monochrom or 
>> an
>> M-E or an X anything or even a Dlux jeans edition right off a shelf. You
>> would wait longer for an M though...but my wait is over ;-)
>>  On Jun 26, 2013 7:28 AM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Geoff you seem to be suggesting that someone on the LUG go out and buy a
>>> Leica camera. I can't even belive what I am reading. You are way off 
>>> topic.
>>> This is the Fuji only zone.
>>> Here today gone tomorrow cameras only.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/25/13 5:16 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can only speak about the international warranty Ric where that is the
>>>> case. I don't know the circumstances of the failure you got nor what 
>>>> was
>>>> done of course. A camera that goes to Solms at least is assessed
>>> completely
>>>> when any paid service is performed and any additional work would be
>>> quoted
>>>> and everything adjusted to spec and guaranteed. For the M9 at least at
>>> one
>>>> point you could buy an additional warranty period too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Family and friends are everything.*
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Geoff
>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 25 June 2013 21:32, RicCarter <ric at cartersxrd.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> would that were true--my other M8 died less than a year after Leica 
>>>>> CLA.
>>>>>
>>>>> They refused to talk about repaair because they said they had not
>>> replaced
>>>>> the shutter.
>>>>>
>>>>> ric
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 25, 2013, at 5:27 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Pay for a CLA and then get twelve months warranty on the whole camera
>>>>>
>>>>>
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