Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/06/26
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]hey Mark, why don't you hang it up and take some good pictures with what ever.... Steve On Jun 26, 2013, at 11:24 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > "Good value" is a key term concerning this whole Leica deal. > A fact that since its inception there was always a cheaper way to take > pictures. Always will be. Won't a Pentax Spotmatic still take very nice > pictures? > If it did and it cost half a Leica then its clearly to most people a better > value is it not? > Or a Nikon F used by the vast majority of pro's a while back. Why pay more > than what the pros are paying? Don't you need to be looking through the > lens? > But a few went for the Leica for the numerous reasons which gets > occasionally discussed here and other Leica lists. > 1. You get to NOT look through the lens. > 2. Premium build and glass. > 3. more compact basic size form. > 4. a bit more low key on the job > > 5. looks nicer. > 6. feels nicer. > 8. a better investment of money. > 9. I forgot. > 10. _____ insert your own reason here. > > As far as Leica goes it should got without saying there is always a cheaper > way out. And that gets called " good value". And that term was used by a > few > others in the past couple of days and in reviews of the New Vario X I just > read...."but is it a good value?" they guy said. > > Any of my Leica lenses I got in the 90's and beyond I can sell for twice > what I laid out for them new. > Any Nikon lens I got was like driving out of a dealership with a new car. > A not small irretrievable loss had just occurred. > > And every time I reached for my 35mm ASPH f2 Summicron M it didn't ask me > for another $1495. > It just made better images than any Nikon lens I had by far. > 16x20 and 20x24 inch prints made first in my darkroom and then on my Epson > in odd sizes made for no doubt. > And still I got to use the lens and it never once asked me for more cash. > The $1495 was gone. I'd long forgotten what else I may have done with it. > > Yes put me on the list please! > Check it twice. > > I have faith that many more of us will be getting new Leica M's this year > and in the very near future. As plenty other people brand new to all things > Leica will be this year and in the very near future. And many of these > people will be doing some high profile work. > Soon you wont be able to get a decent table in a McDonalds without a Leica > M > in your side bag. > > > On 6/26/13 2:14 AM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Mark, I doubt that anyone else on the list is as enthused with the new M >> (or all of the M stuff I guess) as I am. I just got mine yesterday so I'm >> barely starting to learn it. >> Of course they are also still in extremely short supply and they cost a >> lot. So was the M8 and the M9 initially. Actually mine cost me >> significantly less than my M9 (which is going to a good home on the >> list). >> I was just commenting that the Fuji cameras are very popular and seem like >> good value, so much so here that no-one can sell you one in my city >> currently which is a little ironic. Do I need one and would I buy one, no, >> for the very obvious reason that I'm lucky enough to have a great camera >> with superb lenses to use. >> >> I'll put you on my group email list for stuff on the new camera if you >> like. There just aren't many owners here as yet, I think. Henning a couple >> of others as I recall. >> >> >> *Family and friends are everything.* >> >> Cheers >> Geoff >> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >> >> >> On 26 June 2013 13:39, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: >> >>> Well I hope my tone was clear I'm on your side for being the only one to >>> mention the Leica brand on the thread I think it was an M240 you >>> recommended. >>> I was a bit put off by the unanimous consensus to get the Fuji system >>> camera >>> on the LUG today. Leica has moved far beyond this now. Cropped systems. >>> The fuji is a half assed compromise. >>> >>> I don't feel if that's what your now saying that the fact that the Fuji >>> is >>> sold out that that makes it an item of interest for a list of supposed >>> Leica >>> lovers. It just means they made a camera marketed at the masses and is >>> succeeding on that account. >>> As far as APS-2 1.5x compacts go I'm ok with the ones with non >>> interchangeable lenes. The idea of using my set of Leica glass on a >>> cropped >>> format with odd balance and limited compatibility does not excite me. But >>> quite puts me off. >>> The APS-C format is fine for me on a camera which goes into a pants >>> pocket. >>> I'd even go the Vario X route though it would need a coat pocket. >>> The compact glass on the Leica X2 or Vario are made for that format. >>> As are some other ones. >>> >>> Fujifilm X100s $1,299 1.5 crop >>> Leica X2 $1,995 1.5 crop >>> Nikon Coolpix A $1,097 1.5 crop >>> Ricoh GR $797 1.5 crop >>> Sigma DP1, 2 or 3. $999 with a sensor closer to 2x crop. >>> >>> But the camera to get of course is the Sony RX1 full frame. >>> If I was not shooting with an M240 that would be my camera of choice. >>> >>> I'm afraid at this point I have no patience for an M9 and the money I'd >>> have >>> to pay for one. I see it as a failed camera. A nice try, but no cigar. >>> The fact that its no longer made speaks for itself. >>> It was strike two. >>> And strike three is not going to happen for the new digital Leica company >>> because the Leica M240 and Monochrom are huge winners taking the company >>> up >>> to a higher level which I'm excited about. One in which far more serious >>> users are using rangefinder Leica gear. >>> And the S Too. >>> >>> I'm not excited about people on the Leica list talking about a cropped >>> fuji >>> as if its a replacement for a full frame M. which it clearly isn't. >>> I'd expect to hear such garbage on the fuji list if there is one. >>> Or a bunch of computer geeks talking gadgets du jour. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/25/13 6:39 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Mark I could be considered biased here ;-) >>>> However just suggesting what may work best for Ric whose apparently now >>>> facing a large repair bill for a previously repaired M8. Personally I >>>> would be very frustrated in his position and very reluctant to spend >>>> more >>>> on the M8. I would maybe also be elevating my protest if the repair >>> agency >>>> has said no to a warranty claim. Everyone's circumstance is different >>>> and >>>> their own of course. My understanding of that shutter problem was that >>> the >>>> slower max speed ones ought to be better. The shutter unit is in any >>> case a >>>> standard Copal unit that has been in many many camera for years >>> including I >>>> think R cameras and the M9 too. I know nothing on any MTBF histories >>> though. >>>> For what it's worth the excellent Fuji cameras are back ordered >>> everywhere >>>> here as well... But you can pick up almost any M lens or a Monochrom or >>> an >>>> M-E or an X anything or even a Dlux jeans edition right off a shelf. You >>>> would wait longer for an M though...but my wait is over ;-) >>>> On Jun 26, 2013 7:28 AM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Geoff you seem to be suggesting that someone on the LUG go out and buy >>>>> a >>>>> Leica camera. I can't even belive what I am reading. You are way off >>> topic. >>>>> This is the Fuji only zone. >>>>> Here today gone tomorrow cameras only. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 6/25/13 5:16 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I can only speak about the international warranty Ric where that is >>>>>> the >>>>>> case. I don't know the circumstances of the failure you got nor what >>> was >>>>>> done of course. A camera that goes to Solms at least is assessed >>>>> completely >>>>>> when any paid service is performed and any additional work would be >>>>> quoted >>>>>> and everything adjusted to spec and guaranteed. For the M9 at least at >>>>> one >>>>>> point you could buy an additional warranty period too. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Family and friends are everything.* >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Geoff >>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 25 June 2013 21:32, RicCarter <ric at cartersxrd.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> would that were true--my other M8 died less than a year after Leica >>> CLA. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They refused to talk about repaair because they said they had not >>>>> replaced >>>>>>> the shutter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ric >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 25, 2013, at 5:27 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at >>>>>>> gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pay for a CLA and then get twelve months warranty on the whole >>>>>>>> camera >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>> Photography >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> Photography >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information