Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/06/26
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]On Jun 26, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > Why don't you Steve? http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/paw2013/?g2_page=5 and the preceding pages...(many leica, many other, you can not tell the difference) You would know, if you had taken a look at some of my images, and those of many other photographers here. So a chance for a look now.... me, I'm out. No more, I'm on my way to make some pictures. Steve > On 6/26/13 2:34 PM, "Steve Barbour" <steve.barbour at gmail.com> wrote: > >> hey Mark, why don't you hang it up and take some good pictures with what >> ever.... >> >> >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 26, 2013, at 11:24 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >> wrote: >> >>> "Good value" is a key term concerning this whole Leica deal. >>> A fact that since its inception there was always a cheaper way to take >>> pictures. Always will be. Won't a Pentax Spotmatic still take very nice >>> pictures? >>> If it did and it cost half a Leica then its clearly to most people a >>> better >>> value is it not? >>> Or a Nikon F used by the vast majority of pro's a while back. Why pay >>> more >>> than what the pros are paying? Don't you need to be looking through the >>> lens? >>> But a few went for the Leica for the numerous reasons which gets >>> occasionally discussed here and other Leica lists. >>> 1. You get to NOT look through the lens. >>> 2. Premium build and glass. >>> 3. more compact basic size form. >>> 4. a bit more low key on the job >>> >>> 5. looks nicer. >>> 6. feels nicer. >>> 8. a better investment of money. >>> 9. I forgot. >>> 10. _____ insert your own reason here. >>> >>> As far as Leica goes it should got without saying there is always a >>> cheaper >>> way out. And that gets called " good value". And that term was used by a >>> few >>> others in the past couple of days and in reviews of the New Vario X I >>> just >>> read...."but is it a good value?" they guy said. >>> >>> Any of my Leica lenses I got in the 90's and beyond I can sell for twice >>> what I laid out for them new. >>> Any Nikon lens I got was like driving out of a dealership with a new car. >>> A not small irretrievable loss had just occurred. >>> >>> And every time I reached for my 35mm ASPH f2 Summicron M it didn't ask me >>> for another $1495. >>> It just made better images than any Nikon lens I had by far. >>> 16x20 and 20x24 inch prints made first in my darkroom and then on my >>> Epson >>> in odd sizes made for no doubt. >>> And still I got to use the lens and it never once asked me for more cash. >>> The $1495 was gone. I'd long forgotten what else I may have done with >>> it. >>> >>> Yes put me on the list please! >>> Check it twice. >>> >>> I have faith that many more of us will be getting new Leica M's this year >>> and in the very near future. As plenty other people brand new to all >>> things >>> Leica will be this year and in the very near future. And many of these >>> people will be doing some high profile work. >>> Soon you wont be able to get a decent table in a McDonalds without a >>> Leica M >>> in your side bag. >>> >>> >>> On 6/26/13 2:14 AM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Mark, I doubt that anyone else on the list is as enthused with the new M >>>> (or all of the M stuff I guess) as I am. I just got mine yesterday so >>>> I'm >>>> barely starting to learn it. >>>> Of course they are also still in extremely short supply and they cost a >>>> lot. So was the M8 and the M9 initially. Actually mine cost me >>>> significantly less than my M9 (which is going to a good home on the >>>> list). >>>> I was just commenting that the Fuji cameras are very popular and seem >>>> like >>>> good value, so much so here that no-one can sell you one in my city >>>> currently which is a little ironic. Do I need one and would I buy one, >>>> no, >>>> for the very obvious reason that I'm lucky enough to have a great camera >>>> with superb lenses to use. >>>> >>>> I'll put you on my group email list for stuff on the new camera if you >>>> like. There just aren't many owners here as yet, I think. Henning a >>>> couple >>>> of others as I recall. >>>> >>>> >>>> *Family and friends are everything.* >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Geoff >>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>> >>>> >>>> On 26 June 2013 13:39, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well I hope my tone was clear I'm on your side for being the only one >>>>> to >>>>> mention the Leica brand on the thread I think it was an M240 you >>>>> recommended. >>>>> I was a bit put off by the unanimous consensus to get the Fuji system >>>>> camera >>>>> on the LUG today. Leica has moved far beyond this now. Cropped systems. >>>>> The fuji is a half assed compromise. >>>>> >>>>> I don't feel if that's what your now saying that the fact that the >>>>> Fuji is >>>>> sold out that that makes it an item of interest for a list of supposed >>>>> Leica >>>>> lovers. It just means they made a camera marketed at the masses and is >>>>> succeeding on that account. >>>>> As far as APS-2 1.5x compacts go I'm ok with the ones with non >>>>> interchangeable lenes. The idea of using my set of Leica glass on a >>>>> cropped >>>>> format with odd balance and limited compatibility does not excite me. >>>>> But >>>>> quite puts me off. >>>>> The APS-C format is fine for me on a camera which goes into a pants >>>>> pocket. >>>>> I'd even go the Vario X route though it would need a coat pocket. >>>>> The compact glass on the Leica X2 or Vario are made for that format. >>>>> As are some other ones. >>>>> >>>>> Fujifilm X100s $1,299 1.5 crop >>>>> Leica X2 $1,995 1.5 crop >>>>> Nikon Coolpix A $1,097 1.5 crop >>>>> Ricoh GR $797 1.5 crop >>>>> Sigma DP1, 2 or 3. $999 with a sensor closer to 2x crop. >>>>> >>>>> But the camera to get of course is the Sony RX1 full frame. >>>>> If I was not shooting with an M240 that would be my camera of choice. >>>>> >>>>> I'm afraid at this point I have no patience for an M9 and the money I'd >>>>> have >>>>> to pay for one. I see it as a failed camera. A nice try, but no cigar. >>>>> The fact that its no longer made speaks for itself. >>>>> It was strike two. >>>>> And strike three is not going to happen for the new digital Leica >>>>> company >>>>> because the Leica M240 and Monochrom are huge winners taking the >>>>> company up >>>>> to a higher level which I'm excited about. One in which far more >>>>> serious >>>>> users are using rangefinder Leica gear. >>>>> And the S Too. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not excited about people on the Leica list talking about a cropped >>>>> fuji >>>>> as if its a replacement for a full frame M. which it clearly isn't. >>>>> I'd expect to hear such garbage on the fuji list if there is one. >>>>> Or a bunch of computer geeks talking gadgets du jour. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 6/25/13 6:39 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Mark I could be considered biased here ;-) >>>>>> However just suggesting what may work best for Ric whose apparently >>>>>> now >>>>>> facing a large repair bill for a previously repaired M8. Personally I >>>>>> would be very frustrated in his position and very reluctant to spend >>>>>> more >>>>>> on the M8. I would maybe also be elevating my protest if the repair >>>>> agency >>>>>> has said no to a warranty claim. Everyone's circumstance is different >>>>>> and >>>>>> their own of course. My understanding of that shutter problem was that >>>>> the >>>>>> slower max speed ones ought to be better. The shutter unit is in any >>>>> case a >>>>>> standard Copal unit that has been in many many camera for years >>>>> including I >>>>>> think R cameras and the M9 too. I know nothing on any MTBF histories >>>>> though. >>>>>> For what it's worth the excellent Fuji cameras are back ordered >>>>> everywhere >>>>>> here as well... But you can pick up almost any M lens or a Monochrom >>>>>> or >>>>> an >>>>>> M-E or an X anything or even a Dlux jeans edition right off a shelf. >>>>>> You >>>>>> would wait longer for an M though...but my wait is over ;-) >>>>>> On Jun 26, 2013 7:28 AM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Geoff you seem to be suggesting that someone on the LUG go out and >>>>>>> buy a >>>>>>> Leica camera. I can't even belive what I am reading. You are way off >>>>> topic. >>>>>>> This is the Fuji only zone. >>>>>>> Here today gone tomorrow cameras only. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 6/25/13 5:16 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can only speak about the international warranty Ric where that is >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> case. I don't know the circumstances of the failure you got nor what >>>>> was >>>>>>>> done of course. A camera that goes to Solms at least is assessed >>>>>>> completely >>>>>>>> when any paid service is performed and any additional work would be >>>>>>> quoted >>>>>>>> and everything adjusted to spec and guaranteed. For the M9 at least >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>> one >>>>>>>> point you could buy an additional warranty period too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Family and friends are everything.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>> Geoff >>>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 25 June 2013 21:32, RicCarter <ric at cartersxrd.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> would that were true--my other M8 died less than a year after Leica >>>>> CLA. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They refused to talk about repaair because they said they had not >>>>>>> replaced >>>>>>>>> the shutter. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ric >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 25, 2013, at 5:27 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at >>>>>>>>> gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Pay for a CLA and then get twelve months warranty on the whole >>>>>>>>>> camera >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>>> Photography >>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>> Photography >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> Photography >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information