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Subject: [Leica] Re; Politically Incorrect terminology
From: jsmith342 at gmail.com (Jeffery Smith)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 16:35:45 -0500
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I do. I don't find se?orita offensive when Lluis describes a photo of a 
young lady. I think it might be more offensive (to the person herself) to 
call a se?orita a "se?ora". But I see Steve's point. The two daughters of 
our Director of Planning enrolled in one of my lectures (they are of Cuban 
ancestry), and even though I eat lunch with him, I would never refer to 
either of his daughters as a se?orita. It would seem to be referring to them 
as objects.

Jeffery


On Jul 3, 2013, at 4:27 PM, George Lottermoser <imagist3 at mac.com> wrote:

> 
> On Jul 3, 2013, at 4:11 PM, Steve Barbour wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 1:59 PM, lrzeitlin at aol.com wrote:
>> 
>>> I've been a semi-invalid for the last week recovering from cancer 
>>> surgery and I've found the last few editions of the LUG to be a good 
>>> substitute for "War of the Sexes." They take out the stiches in a few 
>>> days and I should be back to my usual acerbic self.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I personally am appalled at the cultural insensitivity to sexist 
>>> terminology exhibited by many male LUG members. Despite the fact that 
>>> some of us disagree with Tina's excessive regard for Leica equipment, we 
>>> don't refer to her as a senorita...
>> 
>> 
>> I have to agree that the way senorita is used here on the LUG, I find to 
>> be disrespectful to women, condescending, demeaning, and 
>> 
>> ultimately sexist. We don't refer to young men by the equivalent.
>> 
>> If one of my daughters were photographed  by a LUG member and described 
>> in these terms, that young lady would certainly not be 
>> 
>> happy, and neither would her father.
> 
> wow. do neither of you feel or understand the appreciation in the use of 
> the word "se?orita" on the LUG?
> I certainly would not feel offended by someone referring to my daughter,
> or a photograph of my daughter, as "beautiful young woman."
> 
> I certainly understand language and when language is misused.
> Se?orita,
> young woman,
> young women,
> girl (when used for females under 12 or 13),
> les jeunes femmes,
> junge frauen, fr?ulein
> do not qualify as sexist
> in my lexicon 
> 
> are we to refer to men and women as "persons" (never mention gender or 
> age)?
> 
> Regards,
> George Lottermoser 
> george at imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com/blog
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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