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Subject: [Leica] Re; Politically Incorrect terminology
From: jsmith342 at gmail.com (Jeffery Smith)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 16:40:14 -0500
References: <8D04647494D2949-1A60-76B45@webmail-m299.sysops.aol.com> <EE3D4010-3A87-4A44-8EDD-50FD01FCAFC0@gmail.com> <BE7A6410-1BDE-44C1-8A46-6BE97C8CD77C@mac.com> <CA+yJO1Ds=2mzizWMmamU4kbTskqMgYicReNc5KVxwnRLTcUD6A@mail.gmail.com>

Diane Arbus' subjects definitely weren't se?oritas.

Jeffery

On Jul 3, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> wrote:

> The only problem I have with the way se?orita is used on the LUG is that it
> only refers to young, beautiful women - never overweight, ordinary, or
> plain women.  None of the women in Jim Shulman's fantastic photos are ever
> referred to as se?oritas!  Se?orita is a perfectly valid Spanish
> description of a young woman - every young woman.
> 
> (Se?ora) Tina
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 5:27 PM, George Lottermoser <imagist3 at mac.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 4:11 PM, Steve Barbour wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 1:59 PM, lrzeitlin at aol.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I've been a semi-invalid for the last week recovering from cancer
>> surgery and I've found the last few editions of the LUG to be a good
>> substitute for "War of the Sexes." They take out the stiches in a few days
>> and I should be back to my usual acerbic self.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I personally am appalled at the cultural insensitivity to sexist
>> terminology exhibited by many male LUG members. Despite the fact that some
>> of us disagree with Tina's excessive regard for Leica equipment, we don't
>> refer to her as a senorita...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have to agree that the way senorita is used here on the LUG, I find to
>> be disrespectful to women, condescending, demeaning, and
>>> 
>>> ultimately sexist. We don't refer to young men by the equivalent.
>>> 
>>> If one of my daughters were photographed  by a LUG member and described
>> in these terms, that young lady would certainly not be
>>> 
>>> happy, and neither would her father.
>> 
>> wow. do neither of you feel or understand the appreciation in the use of
>> the word "se?orita" on the LUG?
>> I certainly would not feel offended by someone referring to my daughter,
>> or a photograph of my daughter, as "beautiful young woman."
>> 
>> I certainly understand language and when language is misused.
>> Se?orita,
>> young woman,
>> young women,
>> girl (when used for females under 12 or 13),
>> les jeunes femmes,
>> junge frauen, fr?ulein
>> do not qualify as sexist
>> in my lexicon
>> 
>> are we to refer to men and women as "persons" (never mention gender or
>> age)?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> George Lottermoser
>> george at imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tina Manley
> http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com
> 
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In reply to: Message from lrzeitlin at aol.com (lrzeitlin at aol.com) ([Leica] Re; Politically Incorrect terminology)
Message from steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour) ([Leica] Re; Politically Incorrect terminology)
Message from imagist3 at mac.com (George Lottermoser) ([Leica] Re; Politically Incorrect terminology)
Message from images at comporium.net (Tina Manley) ([Leica] Re; Politically Incorrect terminology)