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Subject: [Leica] Live view and TTL "m"
From: rgacpa at gmail.com (Bob Adler)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 12:03:50 -0700
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Hi Steve,
I'll be trying that with the M as soon as I can. As you know, the further 
the subject from both the Nocti and 75, the easier it is to focus. I'm not 
sure I shared my images from last Saturday, many shot with the M + Nocti, 
but at a bit of a distance. Used the rangefinder only, but again not a true 
test as close focus with these lenses is where they are truly unique. 
www.rgaphoto.com/2013-Band
When I next see Leo, I'll try the M+Oly EVF with these lenses (it can 
magnify 5X and 10X) and see what happens. My concern is only the VERY slight 
lag on the M where the shutter closes from liveview and then fires...
Until then, good light!
Bob

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 2, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2013, at 12:34 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2013, at 12:09 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Oly EVF because you can put it to your eye. Holding out an M at arms
>>> length would be very awkward.
>>> With a patterned surface, for example a road you can also see the exact 
>>> DoF
>>> walking back and forth as you focus or change aperture (the focus peaking
>>> display).
>> 
>> Stick a noctilux on a Fuji x camera with EVF and magnification,
>> Shoot at f1, your reliability of manual focus will exceed  most. leica 
>> bodies....
>> s
> 
> sorry John,  I am not being very clear here trying to communicate.  I am 
> sorry. My point actually is  quite simple. Because of their narrow depth 
> of field wide open, a Noctilux and a Summilux 75mm/1.4 are the most 
> difficult to focus of all lenses when shot wide open at a subject that is 
> close. So yes, while they have prominent oof areas in the final image, 
> they are most unforgiving, and require the most accurate and careful focus 
> of all. Many of us find a significant miss rate on a Leica body, in my 
> experience from a M3 up to an M9.  This may be due to a rangefinder not 
> perfectly adjusted for this purpose, or to our eyes, or to other random 
> errors. In my experience it is far easier to accurately and reliably focus 
> these lenses on an EVF with magnification, giving a hit rate of almost 
> 100% success. Even my recalibrated and adjusted (by DAG) M9, for my 
> Noctilux, does not even come close. So in terms of ease of use and 
> outcome, I am impressed by the results I obtain with an EVF 
> and magnification, shocked, as I had not expected this. Part of this is 
> due, no doubt, to the reality that you are focussing directly on something 
> that you see. With a rangefinder you are depending on a mechanical 
> linkage, to focus on  an object presumed to be where your eye sees it, in 
> a separate window.
> 
> Yes, it would be nice to have a "full size" sensor, nicer yet to have a 
> sensor 3x "full size"... but nicest of all to be able to focus truly 
> accurately, as well as quickly and reliably.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> john
>> 
>> 
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