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Subject: [Leica] IMG: Tina's "Tea Party" reunion propaganda photo
From: kcarney1 at cox.net (Ken Carney)
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 15:53:49 -0500
References: <8D09A530A152306-D4C-105B2@webmail-m127.sysops.aol.com> <ek951m01h0AFV7C01k96kG>

I think the photo is excellent, especially the framing of the partial faces
on the right and left.  The gun debate will probably go on forever, but I do
get steamed when I see people mishandling firearms (but not for long - I'm
not bashful about correcting them).  You were right to leave - these folks
are an accident waiting to happen.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+kcarney1=cox.net at leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+kcarney1=cox.net at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Tina
Manley
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 3:09 PM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: Tina's "Tea Party" reunion propaganda photo

Larry -

I posted the photo because I was appalled and scared and chagrined to find
that my in-laws were all Tea-Party supporters who owned non-registered guns
because they are convinced that the Muslim president Obama will be coming
after their guns.  I was surprised that anything in the photo was sharp
because I was shaking with anger as I took it.  Then I got up and left,
saying that I would return when there were no loaded guns in the room.  I
didn't return until the next day when the gun-toting guys were gone.

I like the photo or I would not have posted it.  It reflects what I saw and
what I felt at the time.  If it were up to me, all handguns would be
abolished since their only purpose is to take lives.

The photo has provoked comment and I'm glad.  It served its purpose and is,
therefore, a successful photo.

Tina


On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:54 PM, <lrzeitlin at aol.com> wrote:

> Don't over react to guns. They are common in rural America. There are 
> far more guns in the US than there are Leicas, Nikon, Canons, and all 
> other fine cameras combined. The gun culture is alive and well not 
> only in the south but in the North West, the mid-Atlantic states and in
New England.
> The next time you take a drive on a cross country highway stop in at a 
> Cabella's or a Bass Pro sporting goods store. You will see enough guns 
> on display to arm a regiment and enough ammunition to stock a medium 
> sized rebellion. Schools are even closed during deer hunting season in 
> much of Pennsylvania. A successful hunt is the key to a well fed holiday
season.
> New York City even hosted the Bannerman warehouse until it moved up 
> the Hudson to Pollopel Island. Bannerman and family were merchants who 
> bought up most of the military surplus from the Civil War, the 
> Spanish-American war and WW I. Most of the world's rebellions until 
> the outbreak of WW 2 used Bannerman supplied weapons. My father even 
> had a Sears Roebuck sized catalog of Bannerman's arms available for
resale.
>
> When I was a boy the country was much less urban than it is now. In 
> rural communities gun ownership was accepted as a fact of life. Most 
> families owned at least two guns, a shotgun for hunting and a 22 cal. 
> rifle for the kids to plink around with. Most high schools had rifle 
> teams, usually subsidized by the Army. Indeed an armed population was 
> considered the key to national defense. What enemy would attack a 
> country with a well armed citizenry? The NRA, rather than being 
> dedicated to supporting the Second Amendment, was an advocate of teaching
marksmanship in schools.
>
> I currently own three guns, a shotgun, a rifle, and a handgun. My 
> favorite is a Browning semi-automatic 22 rifle, also John Browning's
favorite gun.
> It is beautiful, a true work of art. I bought it on sight 40 years 
> ago. I lusted after that gun more than I ever lusted after a Leica 
> camera. It has appreciated in price more than twenty times the price I
paid.
> <http://www.basspro.com/**Browning-SemiAuto-Grade-I-22-**
> LR-Rifle/product/102<http://www.basspro.com/Browning-SemiAuto-Grade-I-
> 22-LR-Rifle/product/102>
> 17873/>
>
> I was taught to shoot as a ten year old at a YMCA camp by a German 
> doctor who had served as in infantryman under the Kaiser during WW I. 
> At one time I was even capable of shooting a bullet through the center 
> of a cigarette, end on, at 50 ft. I shake too much now and my vision 
> isn't what it used to be.
>
> The prevalence of arms has a low correlation with gun murder rates.
> Vermont and New Hampshire are the U.S. states with the highest per 
> capita gun ownership, minimum regulatory requirements, and also the 
> lowest rates of gun homicides. What really disturbs me is traveling 
> through Europe and the Middle East and seeing all those young military 
> types in airports and wandering the streets with fully armed large 
> magazine assault rifles slung over their backs. How responsible are 
> they? You guys who are appalled at seeing weapons, think about that.
>
> Now about Tina's picture of a "Tea Party" family reunion. This may be 
> a minority opinion but I think it is a poorly composed, unsharp, 
> snapshot of a family at a dinner table with one person handing a gun 
> to another. Just a bad picture. Peter is right is stating that prudent 
> gun handling practices are being violated. The is no indication that 
> it is a "Tea Party" meeting at all. Even Tina's  original title on her 
> web site does not identify it as such. This picture is far below 
> Tina's usual standard and I suspect was titled and posted only to evoke
comment. And you can see. It did.
>
> Larry Z
>
>
>
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