Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/01/12

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Subject: [Leica] Sony b&w
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (steve barbour)
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 18:11:18 -0800
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> On Jan 12, 2014, at 5:38 PM, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Problems with alignment are the most obvious issues I've seen.  This:
> http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/09/there-is-no-free-lunch-episode-763-lens-adapters
> summarises the whole problem well and
> "that great lens certainly wouldn?t be as good as it would be on its
> native-mount camera" is the perfect one-sentence explanation for what I've
> seen.  The Leitz LTM-to-M adaptors I have aren't adequate to show the best
> performance of good LTM lenses on the sensor of the M or Monochrom and show
> assymetrical smearing of the edges.  Twice I have had to go through 3 or 4
> adapters to get a good (not great) one and that's from reliable brands.
> Adapting lenses to non-native mounts is all good harmless fun, and I
> encourage people to use what they have, but a lot of the time for critical
> work they aren't good enough.  I do use my cameras for technical and
> scientific purposes as well as just general photography, so lots of my gear
> gets looked at very hard.
> 
> I have also recently had the mount replaced and helicoid on my e58 Noctilux
> re-built to make sure everything was properly aligned - but the lens is 36
> years old and has been used really hard (as, I think, it should).

Thanks Marty, I understand... Sounds very complex ... Hats off to you for 
being so demanding.

s


> 
> Marty
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at 
> gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2014, at 4:35 AM, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Sunday, 12 January 2014, Steve Barbour wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:02 PM, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com
>> <javascript:;>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> It's great (potential) news; having choice is good.  The Zeiss lenses
>> for
>>>>> these cameras are incredible, but there aren't enough - I'd love a
>> camera
>>>>> like this, but there is no 28 or short tele, the latter of which I
>>>>> particularly need.
>>>> 
>>>> use the R to E adapter and R lenses
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sure, I already have 28 and 80 R lenses, but I like native lenses -
>>> adaptors always have problems.  I also like a familial lens set where I
>> can
>>> get different focal lengths with matching rendition - and the 80
>> Summilux -
>>> although probably my favourite short tele, is almost the complete
>> opposite
>>> of the 55/1.8 FE lens for the A7 in native rendition.  I also don't see
>>> much point using an autofocus camera with manual focus lenses, especially
>>> when you'd already be dealing with the problems above.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> what problems?
>> 
>> s
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Marty
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> s
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marty
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sunday, 12 January 2014, Adam Bridge wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I read this report yesterday. I?m not sure what to do with it. Leica?s
>>>>>> experiment with the monochrom seems to have come years too late.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There are many reasons, of course, why a monochrome sensor makes sense
>>>> for
>>>>>> those of us who want to shoot black and white. But will Sony make the
>>>>>> gamble? Is there enough of a market to make it worthwhile?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On one hand Sony is trying to up its stake in the high-end market so
>> the
>>>>>> monochrome model of the A7 (or whatever) would make sense. But they
>>>> would
>>>>>> probably need to see sales in the 10s of thousands for it to pay off
>> for
>>>>>> them. Is the market large enough?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> With the low end of the market being eaten up by camera phones (many
>> of
>>>>>> which are quite good - I?m sure impressed by the cameras in the
>> iPhone 5
>>>>>> and most especially that of the iPhone 5s) the upper end is the chance
>>>> for
>>>>>> camera companies to compete and perhaps prosper.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I?m hopeful but not optimistic.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 11, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Douglas Nygren <douglasnygren at 
>>>>>> yahoo.com
>> <javascript:;>
>>>> <javascript:;>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I don't know whether it's been noted yet on the lug, but a friend
>> sent
>>>>>> me a link to a story
>>>>>>> reporting a rumor that Sony is working on a black and white digital
>>>>>> camera.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This would make sense. The Monochrom is priced to invite competition
>> to
>>>>>> undersell it,
>>>>>>> and if it allows Leica lenses to be used on it, the rival makes
>> itself
>>>>>> all the more appealing.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Here is the link:
>> http://petapixel.com/2014/01/10/sony-supposedly-working-full-frame-camera-shoots-black-white/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers--Doug
>>>>>>> 
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