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Subject: [Leica] Comparing B&W M9/MM
From: kcarney1 at cox.net (Ken Carney)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:43:16 -0600
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Thank you, Jay.  That was very helpful.

Ken


On 1/27/2014 9:53 PM, Jay Burleson wrote:
> Ken, out of the camera, the dng from the MM is (if properly exposed) 
> pretty flat looking.
> You will find examples all over with no processing done, which show 
> that flatness.
> But the dng is so manipulable, you can pull it in any direction to 
> support the look you want. I'll be posting some examples of that later 
> tonight.
>
> If you open a MM dng in PS, you will have an 8-bit Greyscale image.
> I don't use PS for much, I use Lightroom, and when LR exports to a 
> jpg, it is an sRGB colorspace, so viewing MM and color images on 
> properly calibrated monitors and most web browsers is the same.
>
> A properly exposed & developed Tri-X neg is generally accepted to have 
> 13.5 stops of dynamic range.
> Several sources stated & test that the MM has a dynamic range of 
> approx. 13 plus stops.
> Most of that small loss is in the shoulder, in my opinion.
>
> Once you learn to meter and protect the highlights (since there is no 
> chance of recovery if clipped), there are amazing things that can come 
> out of the dng.
>
> Jay
>
> On 1/27/2014 6:06 PM, Ken Carney wrote:
>> The MM image looks flat to me, as you say like TMax compared to 
>> TriX.  Or at least that was my experience with 35mm film.  The MM 
>> image is an unknown grayscale, and the M9 image is sRGB.  How would 
>> that affect the comparison, especially as this might affect web display?
>>
>> Question #2: I have been looking again at the dynamic range 
>> differences between film and digital especially as concerns b&w.  For 
>> film, the advantage is more room in the shoulder as compared to 
>> digital.  How does the MM compare there, i.e., range in the shoulder 
>> vs. color digital cameras?
>>
>> Thx
>>
>> Ken
>>
>
>



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