Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/02/25
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]And I absolutely belive you're serious. Canon ESO bellies are about to bottom out. The toy cameras are taking over. On 2/25/14 3:09 PM, "Scott Gregory" <scottgregory at mac.com> wrote: > Hi Mark. Maybe so but the word is he dumped all his Canon equipment to get > the > money out before they go down in value. > > Scott > >> On Feb 25, 2014, at 1:50 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> Depends on what you mean by "went". Photographers tend to own and use a >> myriad assortment of cameras. Unlike many of us on the lug when the get >> into >> a new camera system they do so by buying it. They don't trade for it. >> I could belive it because you say so, Scott but why not paste in a URL >> so >> I can see it with my own eyes?!? >> I'd guess Marc has probably under a hundred cameras he uses occasionally. >> My I politely say its unlikely his got rid of his full frame Canon EOS >> Mark >> system? And that I'd bet real money he shoots medium format digital a few >> times a year rented or otherwise. And to walk his dog he's got a Minox in >> his back pocket. >> >> >> >> >>> On 2/25/14 7:37 AM, "Scott Gregory" <scottgregory at mac.com> wrote: >>> >>> Mark one studio is World famous portrait photographer Marc Hauser in >>> Chicago. >>> Went from Canon to Panasonic GH 3 recently. And they shoot JPEG for fast >>> turn >>> around since the sensor is so good. Also another.reason is the quality of >>> the >>> video since they are shooting those in studio as well. >>> >>> Scott >>> >>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:58 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Really Scott which pro studies are trading in their full frame DSLR's >>>> for >>>> cropped? >>>> Problem is when the sensors get better so do the full frame sensors. >>>> And pros get very excited about the quality of their output going up; >>>> not >>>> down. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 2/24/14 6:31 PM, "Scott Gregory" <scottgregory at mac.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Actually Mark that is exactly what is starting to happen in some >>>>> studios! >>>>> Scott >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> You're just not selling me on the idea that serious shooters or pros >>>>>> are >>>>>> shooting 4/3's cameras. certainly a cameras does not need to be light >>>>>> or >>>>>> tiny underwater. I cant think of any other convoluted reason. >>>>>> There is no logic to the idea that the line between 1.5x and 2x >>>>>> formats >>>>>> has >>>>>> been somehow magically blurred. >>>>>> In general what is happening is not "the technology is advancing lets >>>>>> more >>>>>> down in format" but quite the opposite. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/24/14 4:55 PM, "Jim Laurel (gmail)" <jplaurel at gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you stop in at Glazers Camera here in Seattle (a "real" camera >>>>>>> store >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> complete lines in stock at any given time and knowledgeable sales >>>>>>> people), >>>>>>> you'll see that the largest number of people are always milling >>>>>>> around >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> mirrorless counters. Every time I walk in there, someone is fondling >>>>>>> an >>>>>>> EM-5, >>>>>>> GX-7 or EM-1 and marveling at their handsome design and good >>>>>>> handling. >>>>>>> Then >>>>>>> there's the look of disbelief on their faces when the salesperson >>>>>>> hands >>>>>>> them >>>>>>> Panasonic's 12-35 (24-70 equiv) f/2.8 that weighs only 305 grams, or >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Olympus 12mm f/2 (24mm equiv) that weighs just 130 grams... Once you >>>>>>> educate >>>>>>> buyers and show them the alternative (i.e., a Canon 60D with the >>>>>>> 24-70mm >>>>>>> f/2.8L), then let them take a few shots and look at them on a >>>>>>> computer, >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> understand where things are going. ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --Jim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Another problem with REAL camera sales is so many REAL camera stores >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> gone from the scene. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As far as I know there are only four camera stores left in all of >>>>>>>> Louisiana, all in New Orleans. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There's no inventory of serious choices at the Best Buys and Targets >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> have "replaced" them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We're reaping what we sowed when we shunned the little camera stores >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> mail order. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Jim Laurel (gmail) >>>>>>>> <jplaurel at gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They are doing well in at least one area, albeit very niche area: >>>>>>>>> underwater photography. A couple of the major dealers in the >>>>>>>>> country >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> UW >>>>>>>>> photo and video gear tell me that m4/3 is outselling DLSR systems >>>>>>>>> 6 to >>>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The disappointing popularity of mirrorless in North America is due >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> uninformed consumers and also the fallacy that really good image >>>>>>>>> quality >>>>>>>>> starts at APS-C. Already M4/3 is very hard to distinguish from >>>>>>>>> APS-C >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> most applications. And the fact remains that larger sensors mean >>>>>>>>> larger >>>>>>>>> lenses. Neither of the top 2 manufacturers of APS-C DSLRs has ever >>>>>>>>> made >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> serious attempt at a high quality lens line for their cop sensor >>>>>>>>> cameras. >>>>>>>>> I'm talking about a full range of high speed primes and fast >>>>>>>>> zooms, so >>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>> the users of APS-C cameras want really good glass, they're forced >>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> full frame lines. Only the m4/3 consortium have made a serious >>>>>>>>> attempt >>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> complete system with premium glass optimized for the smaller >>>>>>>>> sensor. >>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>> jewel-like Olympus 12mm f/1.8, the 75mm f/1.8, Panasonic 8mm >>>>>>>>> fisheye >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> 7-14 are the result. Extremely compact lenses of extremely high >>>>>>>>> optical >>>>>>>>> quality. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's funny to look back and remember all the prejudice against the >>>>>>>>> "small >>>>>>>>> format" 24mm x 26mm when it was first introduced. But as film >>>>>>>>> quality >>>>>>>>> improved, so did the viability of the 135 format for almost every >>>>>>>>> application. The same will be true of sensors, only it will happen >>>>>>>>> faster, >>>>>>>>> and in 10 years' time, a lens the size and weight of Canon's >>>>>>>>> 70-200mm >>>>>>>>> f/2.8 >>>>>>>>> IS USM will look like quite the relic, while Panasonic's 35-100 >>>>>>>>> f/2.8 >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> be regarded as having been a harbinger of the future. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --Jim >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 1:07 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at >>>>>>>>>> rabinergroup.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And Panasonic. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It seems to the average western consumer a mirrorless is a step up >>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>> they get with their Smartphone but they don't find it necessary to >>>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> step they are more conserved with getting the pix out of their >>>>>>>>>> phones >>>>>>>>> onto >>>>>>>>>> their facebook or Instasgram or other social network galleries >>>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>> hanging >>>>>>>>>> a show on the wall of a gallery with exposed brick behind them. >>>>>>>>>> We have to be careful when we say "mirrorless" now as they seem to >>>>>>>>>> come >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> two distinct form factors. The original flat ones which could also >>>>>>>>> emulate >>>>>>>>>> compact rangefinder cameras. And ones which look like DSLR'S which >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> lightweight but too chunky to be called flat. >>>>>>>>>> The articles states Asian ladies like the mirrorless as they are >>>>>>>>>> light >>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>> to put in their purse. Western ladies don't see that? >>>>>>>>>> The bottom line from all I can see is how to get the publics smart >>>>>>>>>> phones >>>>>>>>>> out of their cold dead hands to take a picture or do anything with >>>>>>>>> anything >>>>>>>>>> else. One step up is not enough over here it seems it seems we >>>>>>>>>> need >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>>>> two steps up and make it a camera which really shoots a quality >>>>>>>>>> pictures >>>>>>>>> IE >>>>>>>>>> having a sensor at least 1.5x crop. >>>>>>>>> >> http://www.businessinsider.com/mirrorless-camera-sales-disappoint-2013-1>>>>> >> >> >> 2 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sonny >>>>>>>> http://sonc.com/look/ >>>>>>>> Natchitoches, Louisiana >>>>>>>> 1714 >>>>>>>> Oldest Permanent Settlement in the Louisiana Purchase >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> USA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>> Photographer >>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> Photographer >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photographer >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -- Mark William Rabiner Photographer http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/