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Subject: [Leica] Leica's April 24th announcement - place your bets!
From: photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 07:19:47 +0100
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I have no computer with me on this particular trip, just my iPad. The same 
small charger serves the iPad and the iPhone. The charger for the Fuji X and 
the two spare batteries for it take up far less space than several rolls of 
film would have.

And guess what--the only cameras I ever have had to send for repair were M 
cameras: one M7 and one M8 (the one I still have). So for me, the digital 
"fragility" is a myth. The M8 needed repair after sweat dripping from my 
face while cycling got into the camera and corroded something inside, but 
aside from that, none of the digital cameras I have owned in the past 10 
years has needed repair.

Just because some people use technology in a stupid way does not make 
technology bad.

Cheers,
Nathan

Nathan Wajsman
(sent from somewhere)


Den 06/03/2014 kl. 22.41 skrev "Jim Laurel (gmail)" <jplaurel at gmail.com>:

> The technology chain for digital photography is very fragile, Nathan. If 
> you've gone to a lot of time and effort to travel someplace, you are 
> carrying backups of everything. Modern digital cameras are a lot more 
> fragile than the mechanical M cameras. Your computer (so you know if 
> you've got a big dust blob on your sensor), drives to back up your 
> computer. And a tertiary backup because, you know, if data doesn't exist 
> in 3 places, it doesn't really exist at all. A power supply for your 
> computer and a backup for that for when it fails. A charger for your 
> camera batteries and a backup for that. Backup batteries. Your mobile 
> phone. And a charger for that. A power strip to plug all this into. And 
> all this stuff is incredibly appealing to would-be thieves, so you're 
> always having to look after it, locking it up in your room, etc. It's just 
> a lot more stuff to manage.
> 
> I'm a technologist, but I am also concerned about the impact of technology 
> on society and culture. I walked the Camino de Santiago from St. Jean Pied 
> de Port to Compostella last Fall - 800 kilometers. So many pilgrims with 
> their faces buried in their iPhones, frantic to find some WiFi. Sitting 
> together at tables, but isolated, each one in his/her own little virtual 
> world. Every night in the Abergues, people would be scrambling for the few 
> outlets to charge phones, cameras, iPads, etc. I can't help but think that 
> 30 years ago, they would have been enjoying the moment a bit more.
> 
> --Jim
> 
> On Mar 6, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote:
> 
>> Technology moves on.  When I was young, when going out, I needed to have 
>> coins in my pocket and find a pay phone if I wanted to call home. For the 
>> past 20 years, I have carried a mobile phone in my pocket as a matter of 
>> course. Initially to talk, now also to browse the web, navigate my way 
>> through foreign cities etc. Why would that be a bad thing? It's wonderful!
>> 
>> Same with cameras. In my film days, I had to carry three bodies: one 
>> loaded with slow slide film, one loaded with slow B&W film and a third 
>> loaded with fast B&W film, in my case ISO 1600, since anything faster was 
>> useless. Now with the Fuji X I have with me where I am right now 
>> (Maastricht), I can shoot at ISO 6400 and get far superior quality to 
>> what I used to get with film at 1600. Again, why would that be a bad 
>> thing? It is not an "obsession", it is merely a way to expand one's 
>> photographic possibilities.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Nathan
>> 
>> Nathan Wajsman
>> (sent from somewhere)
>> 
>> 
>> Den 06/03/2014 kl. 21.57 skrev "Jim Laurel (gmail)" <jplaurel at 
>> gmail.com>:
>> 
>>> I never will understand all this obsession with ultra-high ISO. Along 
>>> with bokeh, it has become a fetish in the photographic community.
>>> 
>>> For so many years, we traveled with the Leica M6 and a few fast lenses 
>>> and 100 ISO slide film, which we would sometimes push 1 stop. Only 
>>> rarely did I feel the need for ISO 1600. The Leica M8 was already better 
>>> than 35mm film at comparable ISO sensitivities. The M9 is better still 
>>> and yet in today's world it is considered woefully obsolete. I can 
>>> understand that for Chris' wedding work, 12,500 allows him to capture 
>>> images that were just not possible in the days of film, but few 
>>> consumers have such a requirement.
>>> 
>>> One thing is for sure. While a few photographers are using the new 
>>> capabilities of digital cameras to push creative boundaries, most simply 
>>> inundate us with well-exposed and sharply focused images with crazy 
>>> bokeh at outrageous ISOs that have little real content.
>>> 
>>> --Jim
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 6, 2014, at 11:54 AM, chris williams <zoeica at mac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> No way on the M-AF mount. The M battery is already small, I would not 
>>>> want another battery drain.
>>>> 
>>>> I just recently shot the M 240 at a wedding. Unless there's a new 
>>>> version capable of 12,500 iso I don't really see a need for a new 
>>>> camera announcement.?
>> 
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