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Subject: [Leica] "Sharpness is a Bourgeois concept"
From: lluisripollphotography at gmail.com (Lluis Ripoll)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 22:07:01 +0100
References: <CF45127A.1993C%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Good sentence Mark! noted!

Cheers!
Lluis

El 12/03/2014, a las 00:20, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> escribi?:

> I agree. The decisive moment is best when the pic is not decisively blurry.
> 
> 
> On 3/11/14 7:06 PM, "Lluis Ripoll" <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> I don?t know which could be the intention of HCB on this sentence, 
>> however I
>> think that my preference would be always for the better moment. I think we
>> will never forget a magic moment even if the image is not fully sharp, 
>> and we
>> can forget more easily the less exceptional moments.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Lluis
>> 
>> El 11/03/2014, a las 23:55, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
>> escribi?:
>> 
>>> I do think though than when HCB is talking about sharpness obsessions 
>>> he's
>>> really not talking about missing ones focus. He's talking about shooting 
>>> at
>>> slower than optimal shutter speeds in low light. And when we then have 
>>> five
>>> shots of the subject shot at 15th of a second do we later just pick the
>>> sharpest of the five off the contact sheet? Or do we pick the one which
>>> captures a better moment but is a tad softer than some of others?
>>> Or split the difference?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/11/14 6:29 PM, "Lluis Ripoll" <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yes Mark, this was my case too, the magic moment appears and the camera 
>>>> was
>>>> not ready, on such cases I prefer catch the moment, as you
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Lluis
>>>> 
>>>> El 11/03/2014, a las 02:15, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
>>>> escribi?:
>>>> 
>>>>> The last shot I posted to the LUG last Friday a flower was not in focus
>>>>> where I wanted it to be and I had no time to shoot more or stop down 
>>>>> and
>>>>> had
>>>>> I been stopped down in the first place I'd have nailed it far more to 
>>>>> my
>>>>> liking I was experimenting with a manual focus lens which I was less
>>>>> familiar with and was not prepared. Did not have my camera and lens 
>>>>> set up
>>>>> right.
>>>>> Very rare I'm  happy about missing my focus or another other glaring
>>>>> examples of bad technique all of which are inexcusable but happen.
>>>>> There are only a couple of examples of well known HCB shots in which 
>>>>> his
>>>>> focus could have been better. He shot fast enough where he didn't need 
>>>>> to
>>>>> in
>>>>> generally accept such shots there were other takes on the roll. Yet 
>>>>> there
>>>>> are times when the magic moment happens when the camera is focusing 
>>>>> over
>>>>> your subjects shoulder and its worth it being a bit soft or off.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Some of the red berries are sharp and a part of his sleeve.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/fridayflowers/131019_202344.jpg.>>>>
> h
>>>>> tml
>>>>> 
>>>>> Or
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ob4bhru
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/10/14 7:41 PM, "Jim Nichols" <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I agree.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 3/10/2014 6:11 PM, Lluis Ripoll wrote:
>>>>>>> Thanks for commenting Jim, I saw the expression of that dame and I 
>>>>>>> don?t
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> the time to focus, but I like her expression?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Lluis
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> El 10/03/2014, a las 23:55, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net>
>>>>>>> escribi?:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Interesting.  This looks more like a 1930s box camera image than one
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> modern Leica.  It can't be motion, at 1/1000 sec, so it must be 
>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>> focus is behind her.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2014 5:25 PM, Lluis Ripoll wrote:
>>>>>>>>> If you are agree with this sentence from HCB you can take a look 
>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>> picture
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/La+Rambla/20140205_L1038596w.j
>>>>>>>>> pg
>>>>>>>>> .h
>>>>>>>>> tml>
>>>>>>>>> Leica M9, Summicron Rigid
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>>>>>>> lluis
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>>> Photographer
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