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Subject: [Leica] "Sharpness is a Bourgeois concept"
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:20:26 -0400

I agree. The decisive moment is best when the pic is not decisively blurry.


On 3/11/14 7:06 PM, "Lluis Ripoll" <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> 
wrote:

> I don?t know which could be the intention of HCB on this sentence, however 
> I
> think that my preference would be always for the better moment. I think we
> will never forget a magic moment even if the image is not fully sharp, and 
> we
> can forget more easily the less exceptional moments.
> 
> Cheers
> Lluis
> 
> El 11/03/2014, a las 23:55, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
> escribi?:
> 
>> I do think though than when HCB is talking about sharpness obsessions he's
>> really not talking about missing ones focus. He's talking about shooting 
>> at
>> slower than optimal shutter speeds in low light. And when we then have 
>> five
>> shots of the subject shot at 15th of a second do we later just pick the
>> sharpest of the five off the contact sheet? Or do we pick the one which
>> captures a better moment but is a tad softer than some of others?
>> Or split the difference?
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/11/14 6:29 PM, "Lluis Ripoll" <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes Mark, this was my case too, the magic moment appears and the camera 
>>> was
>>> not ready, on such cases I prefer catch the moment, as you
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Lluis
>>> 
>>> El 11/03/2014, a las 02:15, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
>>> escribi?:
>>> 
>>>> The last shot I posted to the LUG last Friday a flower was not in focus
>>>> where I wanted it to be and I had no time to shoot more or stop down and
>>>> had
>>>> I been stopped down in the first place I'd have nailed it far more to my
>>>> liking I was experimenting with a manual focus lens which I was less
>>>> familiar with and was not prepared. Did not have my camera and lens set 
>>>> up
>>>> right.
>>>> Very rare I'm  happy about missing my focus or another other glaring
>>>> examples of bad technique all of which are inexcusable but happen.
>>>> There are only a couple of examples of well known HCB shots in which his
>>>> focus could have been better. He shot fast enough where he didn't need 
>>>> to
>>>> in
>>>> generally accept such shots there were other takes on the roll. Yet 
>>>> there
>>>> are times when the magic moment happens when the camera is focusing over
>>>> your subjects shoulder and its worth it being a bit soft or off.
>>>> 
>>>> Some of the red berries are sharp and a part of his sleeve.
>>>> 
>>>> 
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/fridayflowers/131019_202344.jpg.>>>>
h
>>>> tml
>>>> 
>>>> Or
>>>> 
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ob4bhru
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/10/14 7:41 PM, "Jim Nichols" <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I agree.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 3/10/2014 6:11 PM, Lluis Ripoll wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks for commenting Jim, I saw the expression of that dame and I 
>>>>>> don?t
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> the time to focus, but I like her expression?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Lluis
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> El 10/03/2014, a las 23:55, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net>
>>>>>> escribi?:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Interesting.  This looks more like a 1930s box camera image than one
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> modern Leica.  It can't be motion, at 1/1000 sec, so it must be that 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> focus is behind her.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 3/10/2014 5:25 PM, Lluis Ripoll wrote:
>>>>>>>> If you are agree with this sentence from HCB you can take a look to 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> picture
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/La+Rambla/20140205_L1038596w.j
>>>>>>>> pg
>>>>>>>> .h
>>>>>>>> tml>
>>>>>>>> Leica M9, Summicron Rigid
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>>>>>> lluis
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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