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Subject: [Leica] M2/HP5 and Monochrom comparison
From: john at mcmaster.co.nz (John McMaster)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 01:27:44 +0000
References: <532CD663.2030309@threshinc.com>

It would have been good if he had shown some Monochrom at 5000asa as well, 
it starts to look more 'filmic' at that speed....

john

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Here's an interesting article from Steve Huff's site.  John Tuckey did a 
shoot with a lovely model where he used both the M Monochrom and and M2 
loaded with HP5+. You can see full-sized images if you click on the pictures 
in the article.
<http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2014/03/21/a-night-at-the-opera-with-the-leica-monochrom-m2/>

I'm not interested in which one is "better," but I am interested in how they 
are different, and how that effects the look and aesthetic qualities of the 
pictures.  It's not an apples-to-apples comparison, because he used 
different lenses. While the exposures are equal, the MM shots originally 
were darker. And he shot the Noctilux at f/1 from farther away than the 50 
Summilux ASPH at f/1.4, so the relative DOF is the opposite of what you'd 
expect.  Still, same model, same lighting, same session, same photographer.

Just for fun, I created a "side-by-side" where I tried to reduce the 
confounding variables further. I took the second pair of portraits, one MM 
and one film, and reduced the size and tone curve differences as much as I 
reasonably could quickly. I also did some " burning in" of the hairline 
shadows in the MM picture to get closer to the film version. 
Here's the result (best if you view full size on the LUG Gallery):
<http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/pklein/temp/Huff032114MMvsFilm.JPG.html>

Any thoughts?

Mine are that both are beautiful in their own way, but the MM and film are 
drastically different media. The rendition of the lips and hair color are 
different. Highlight renderings are completely different.  And
(obviously) the film picture is made of just-visible grains that of random 
size and placement. The MM picture is made of a grid of pixels that are 
exactly the same size and too small to see. Tones on the film are made up of 
different proportions of black grains and clear film. 
Tones on the MM are made up of many pixels that are similar in tone.

This latter point, I think is the key. I think it's often missed in 
Web-sized versions film-digital comparisons, where the pictures are either 
too small to see much difference, or at pixel-peeping 100%, where you don't 
see how the elements would work in a decent-sized print.

Take your pick. In these pictures, I prefer the film rendering. With a 
different subject, or at a higher ISO, I might very well prefer the digital.

--Peter

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