Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/04/07
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]There is also the aspect, Geoff that the" Hasselblad and Phase one Frank" are blocky clunky modular medium format cameras which a lot of 35mm folks are never going to accept. The ones used to use a Pentax 67 perhaps.. T The Leica S is the size form and shape of an ubiquitous Canon or Nikon. Its just the format has been jacked up just enough to make a real and I'm thinking un competitive result. You cant tell that from looking at the outside of the camera. Yes as a street camera with low light capabilities of a medium format you'd want to hold on to your existing DSLR system. But recently CMOS has hit the medium format digital world with a new H5D-50c from Hasselblad. The Hasselblad has ISO of up to 6,400. That's as high as I go now and go there often with my Nikon. And cost 12 grand that's two high end Nikons. Also just out in January is the Phase One IQ250 Medium Format CMOS Back also allowing 6400 shooting. With Schneider glass yet. Schneider impresses the hell outa me. So it seems reasable to assume that an S2c body would come out soon with a CMOS sensor and 6400 in the menu included with the entr?e,. So there's be no excuse to not use these puppies on a tough location shoot with variable variables about to happen. On 4/7/14 8:23 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: > They decided to compete with Hasselblad and Phaseone Frank. It is a tiny > tiny > market yes. Leica's prices there are broadly comparable in fact, they offer > something significantly different and they have increased their market > share. > The R10 body was to have been in the order of twice the price of the pro > Canon > and Nikon bodies. Now that the medium format sensors are evolving I think > that > tiny market will be even more interesting. > Having been fortunate to shoot an S side by side with my M I promise you > that > there is a big difference > > cheers > Geoff > >> On 8 Apr 2014, at 9:24 am, "Frank Filippone" <red735i at verizon.net> >> wrote: >> >> And so they decided not to compete with the Japanese DSLRs, instead to >> compete with the Japanese MF-DSLRs.... A smaller market with entrenched >> users, Leica at much higher prices than the competition, and with the 35mm >> DSLR's adding capability, more MP and significantly lower prices than the >> MF-DSLR. >> >> I do not see a big difference,,,, but then I do not work at Leica. >> >> I always believed the S product family was a competitive/commercial >> mistake.... >> >> Frank Filippone >> Red735i at verizon.net >> >> >> While Leica Camera wanted to provide a vehicle for the existing R lenses >> their analysis was that those people on their own were just not a >> sufficient >> market to make the new camera a commercial success. They elected of course >> to proceed with their 'middle format' S system instead. The R10 at a much >> higher price would have had to compete directly with the Japanese designs >> which dominate the market. At the same time the M9 was in development in >> house and concurrent with the S system design and their resources were >> stretched. As it turned out the M9 was more successful than was >> anticipated >> and while the S2 camera got to market the (CS) lenses for it were delayed. >> >> >> Cheers >> Geoff >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -- Mark William Rabiner Photographer http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/