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Subject: [Leica] IMG: Portraits and Dance
From: john at mcmaster.co.nz (John McMaster)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 20:20:08 +0000
References: <CAE3QcF7f6Rmj+y90RGJRyaLUmkOxtPKkyh8ZUV98xH44NvmfUw@mail.gmail.com> <CFF1970B.2232A%mark@rabinergroup.com>

It is CCD so not so good (usable if required) above its rated speed of 
160ASA, given I am often shooting at 1/125th f2.0 at that speed on an M 
series at this time of year there is no way I could hand hold an S2 with an 
f2.5 max aperture ;-) The lenses are heavy, other than the 70mm I think they 
are all over 1kg and need to be held still for best results...

john

-----Original Message-----

I don't understand why you cant walk around shooting with an S2 its the same 
form follow function footprint basic size and shape and weight as a Canon or 
Nikon DSLR you could black tape the red dot and no one would be the wiser..
You'd not make a S outa yourself... I would also shoot the camera with all 
the auto controls I'm used to shooting with with my DSLR'S.  Which is all of 
them. There is simply no reason not to. The film is bigger. That's all. Oops

I have thought of medium format being all about manual controll I started 
out with Rollei and Hasselblad in the 70's but when the 645's hit, the 
Mamiya 's and Pentaxes and Bronica'a came in in the 80's with full exposure 
modes and then auto focus nobody turned them off to emulate shooting with a 
Hasselblad.  
But they didn't necessarily out shoot us either.
Us being die hard Hasselblad shooters.

Mark William Rabiner
Photographer
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/

On 7/20/14 12:01 AM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:

> Every frame that I will shoot with it outside will be in manual focus 
> though. That is the way that it is generally done in the medium format 
> world, in my part of it anyway, learning from Hasselblad and Phase One 
> using professionals. Yes it does lock extremely quickly in the well 
> lit studio if that helps. I haven't tried it in low light at this 
> stage where mt D600 would typically hunt around and struggle.
> 
> It's hardly a walkaround camera though, or rather you need to be 
> dedicated to do that. Its the wrong tool for travel for example in my 
> opinion.
> My studio stuff well stopped down won't tell you anything about focus 
> accuracy.
> 
> Outside especially at big apertures, in closer at least,  I would 
> typically be looking to focus manually on the catchlight of the nearest 
> eye.
> Eyelashes are not good enough (focussed manually or AF)
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Geoff
> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> 
> 
> On 20 July 2014 13:54, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Geoff,
>> Not a contest, just increasing my personal knowledge on how it might 
>> be useful to me. I am practical on my approach to kit, if I find 
>> something that will work for me, I would buy it. As the S2 has 
>> autofocus, it comes squarely into my usable zone. That is all the 
>> information I was after.
>> Cheers
>> Jayanand
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Geoff Hopkinson 
>> <hopsternew at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Jayanand, from my perspective this isn't a contest with John and I 
>>> trying to make you want to buy a Leica Pro format camera. Nor do 
>>> either of us
>> feel
>>> the need to justify why we are thrilled to have these for ourselves.
>>> 
>>> Having said that there is a large difference in the output. Whether 
>>> or
>> not
>>> that matters to you or anyone else for different output purposes or 
>>> the large cost is justified of course is entirely up to the 
>>> individual
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Geoff
>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 20 July 2014 13:35, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> John,
>>>> That print size does not tax any DSLRs or Mirrorless sensors that I 
>>>> have used in the last 5 years, either, including Micro 4/3 - and I 
>>>> print a lot for print exchanges, in which I regularly (month in, 
>>>> month
>>>> out) have been taking part for the best part of a decade. If it 
>>>> does not tax the M 240, why did you buy the S2 as well?  Just 
>>>> curious to know where medium format output is truly useful, and 
>>>> where it fits in for hobbyist photographers like me.
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Jayanand
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 8:49 AM, John McMaster 
>>>> <john at mcmaster.co.nz>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 12"x18" doesn't really tax the M either...
>>>>> 
>>>>> john
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jayanand you'll need a large print to appreciate. 12x18 in ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Geoff
>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 20 July 2014 13:08, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any S2 owner on the list interested in doing an one on one print 
>>>>>> exchange with me? I would really like to see the output in print!
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Jayanand
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 8:32 AM, John McMaster 
>>>>>> <john at mcmaster.co.nz>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hardly surprising with a 1024 pixel JPEG ;-) Believe me there is 
>>>>>>> a huge
>>>>>> difference when you see shots side by side...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> john
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Jayanand Govindaraj
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Geoff,
>>>>>>> Very interesting, very well lit. I personally cannot make out 
>>>>>>> which are
>>>>>> out of the S2 and which are out of the M 240! :-) Cheers Jayanand
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Geoff Hopkinson 
>>>>>>> <hopsternew at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I've started this gallery with a series of portraits, mixed 
>>>>>>>> work from
>>>>>>>> S2 and M (typ 240) There is zero retouching, just a very lovely 
>>>>>>>> model well prepared for camera and some beautiful studio lighting.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/cd
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>>>>>> 



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