Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/09/22

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Subject: [Leica] Leica Porn
From: tmanley at gmail.com (Tina Manley)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:20:37 -0400
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+1!

What George said!!

Tina


On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 2:58 AM, George Lottermoser <
george.imagist at icloud.com> wrote:

>
> On Sep 22, 2014, at 12:13 AM, Ted Grant wrote:
>
> > It's just today every time we , that's we all of us on the lug can't just
> > walk in to a camera store and say... "hey I'll take the new LEICA B&W
> > camera." Why? Hell man how many have $22,000 in yer back pocket to pay
> for
> > it ? The M cameras? Heck they're also at the top end of cost. AND AT THE
> > MOMENT BEYOND MY REACH! :-(
>
> I understand all too well some of the points that are so often made re:
> Leica Costs.
>
> Though let's get real.
> I paid $6K for a Leica M (240) - 2014 dollars
> I can use every M lens I own on the body.
> I can use every R lens I own on the body.
> It delivers superb image quality
> which will hold its own with virtually any other 24x36 sensor.
>
> that $6K translates to $803.26 in 1965 dollars.
> or $687 in 1955 dollars.
> Which is about twice what an M3 actually cost in 1955.
> And you had to feed that camera continuous film and processing costs.
>
> And you were buying them in sets of twos and threes.
> As was every other news and magazine photographer on the planet.
>
> Today:
> Canon EOS-1D C Camera (Body Only) $10K
> Nikon D3X (Body Only) $7K
> A Nikon D4 (Body only) $5K
>
> Nobody's denouncing Nikon and Canon
> for making cameras that are WAY TOO EXPENSIVE.
>
> The fact that we can buy so-called Pro-Sumer models for $3K
> which deliver wonderful files;
> and ConSumer models for a fraction of that
> is the only difference.
> And the fact that they make hundreds of millions of the things.
>
> This shit ain't cheap no matter whose making it
>
> Top End Medium Format Backs (no camera body at all) $40K
>
> A lot of this Leica IS ONLY for dilettantes and collectors
> qualifies as its own mythology
> kept alive by Leica naysayers.
>
> We have serious, prolific, talented photographers on this list
> who find the ways and means to photography with M8s, M9s, Ms, and MMs.
> And there's many more lists out there with many more serious Leica
> shooters.
>
> Used M8s sell every day for $1300 - $1800
> Used M9s continue to hold at or a bit over $3K
> with M9-Ps going $500 to $1,000 more than that.
> I saw an M Monochrom sell a couple weeks ago for $4,500.
>
> The same vintage Nikons and Canons do not do nearly as well by comparison.
>
> I'd be lucky to get $400 or $500 for my Canon 5D.
>
> Apples and apples
> Oranges and oranges
>
> Everyone's mileage, needs, wants and desires will vary
>
> Regards,
> George Lottermoser
>
> http://www.imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com/blog
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>
>
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>



-- 
Tina Manley
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