Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/11/30
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]> On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > > I know you were in the first two Tina. > Regardless I wonder why you'd need to be drawn out in public and be put on > the spot as to your involvement with the project. I'd think that would be > nobodies business but yours. They'd find out when the thing was published. > > In past years on the lug we were presented with a list. If you were not on > it you were put on the spot and asked why you were not on it. I'm glad to > see the Gestapo tactics are gone this year. > > Its interesting nobody asks you off list if you are going to be in the > project or not. Its always on list. > These bullying tactics just warm the cockles of my heart. > And I can tell you threes only one why I respond to this kind of pressure. "they" is me Mark, the list is here for communication, that is why I use it. I apologized to Tina already, misunderstanding, but when I saw her statement I could not believe it.... So babble on Mark, and when you take a break, send two photos for inclusion in the book. Not a biggie, but I am sure you can do it. I know this list is for people who like to babble, not take pictures. Steve > > > On 11/29/14 9:46 PM, "Tina Manley" <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote: > >> What?? I think there was a copy problem. I have been in every single LUG >> book >> so far !!! >> >> Tina >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 9:10 PM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> Steve Barbour >>> >>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 5:34 PM, Tmanley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I hope not. :-( I would hope that the appreciation would trump the >>> aggravation. I've never done the LUG book >>> >>> Forgive me for asking Tina please, but we see so many of your images, why >>> have you chosen not to contribute to the LUG book? >>> >>> steve >>> >>> >>> but I have done many non-profit fund-raising projects and that has >>> usually >>> been true. The aggravation can be overwhelming but it ALWAYS turns out >>> to be >>> worth it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Jim Shulman <jshulman at judgecrater.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I stand corrected (and should have checked all eight editions)--you were >>>> indeed in '06 and '07. >>>> >>>> However, you've just given a superb reason why I had no further interest >>>> in producing the yearbook. I was sick of your garbage, and similar >>>> diatribes from non-contributors (at least within the 2010s). >>>> >>>> Prattle on! You have every right to do so. >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at >>>> leica-users.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Mark Rabiner >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 6:59 PM >>>> To: Leica Users Group >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG & Blurb question >>>> >>>> I was in the first two issues, Ted. Two pix each all taken with Leica >>>> cameras. All taken the same year they were published. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 11/29/14 6:57 PM, "Ted Grant" <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> AND FROM THE DARKENED HALLS OF THE PAST.................. A MAJOR >>>>> BITE!!!!!!! And the quiet was deafening! >>>>> >>>>> cheers, >>>>> Dr.ted >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On >>>>> Behalf Of Jim Shulman >>>>> Sent: November-29-14 3:26 PM >>>>> To: Leica Users Group >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG & Blurb question >>>>> >>>>> The way I think about it is that in order to proffer suggestions you >>>>> should be a part of the yearbook. >>>>> As in as a participant. >>>>> >>>>> I checked the 2013 yearbook, and checked it twice. >>>>> You didn't submit a thing. >>>>> I checked the 2012 yearbook, and checked it twice. >>>>> You didn't submit a thing. >>>>> Same for 2011. I didn't go back any further, but to the best of my >>>>> knowledge the LUG yearbooks have yet to be graced by your images. >>>>> >>>>> Did it ever occur to you, Mark, that you're part of the problem? >>>>> Geoff and, for eight years, I received lots and lots of suggestions, >>>>> gripes, requests, and relatively few entries. I noted that the people >>>>> with the greatest number of suggestions, or gripes about the >>>>> admittedly elementary submission guidelines, were almost never >>>> contributors. >>>>> >>>>> So put up or shut up. There's still about a half-month to submit your >>>>> images. >>>>> >>>>> Jim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: LUG >>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+jshulman=judgecrater.com at leica-users.org] On >>>>> Behalf Of Mark Rabiner >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:12 PM >>>>> To: Leica Users Group >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG & Blurb question >>>>> >>>>> They way I think about it is if you're going to do something why not >>>>> let more than just a few people see it? I love books I'm about to hit >>>>> some bookstores this afternoon made a list checking it twice but for >>>>> every person who reads and looks at paper there's thousands who are >>>>> getting the same words and pix as pixels. >>>>> I love PDF 's. I think the guy you invented them should get the Noble >>>>> Peace prize. If I'd gone to the trouble to layout a photo book such as >>>>> this it would drive my crazy not being able to press the "make PDF >>>> button" >>>>> in the end. If you think about it the preview software which lets >>>>> people peek into the book on the website has kind of done that. >>>>> I think when people know ahead of time that the layout will be >>>>> electronically disseminated few if any would have a problem with that. >>>>> If they do let them rot in their own hells. >>>>> People want to see their book on their iPad's and iPhones. >>>>> More importantly they want to never put their iPad's and iPhones down. >>>>> They want to keep staring at them. >>>>> Let them. >>>>> >>>>> That said I don't think the reason behind a LUG book such as this is >>>>> to make money. How many extra copies did they sell does anyone know? >>>>> If there really is a market for a book such as the LUG Yearbook than >>>>> in electronic form I'd wager that market would be 100x. ... To 1000x. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 11/28/14 11:15 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I did a test convert of another non-related photobook that I edited >>>>>> and published an eBook version as a test. I don't have my iPad with >>>>>> me to check as yet, but it looks like it should work fine on IOS >>>>>> devices, not just iPads. >>>>>> When you buy you get a download link in a mail to be opened on the >>>>>> device where you want to download it. In other words, one download, >>>>>> one >>>>> device. >>>>>> I shall report in when I get that test on on my (first) iPad which >>>>>> went to a family meber who will like to have that particular book. >>>>>> >>>>>> My intent introducing the eBook this year was to broaden the sales >>>>>> while each copy (print or electronic) will generate exactly the same >>>>>> markup for Jim's charity. As a glass half full approach I hope that >>>>>> people will enjoy having the printed volume on their shelf to enjoy >>>>>> and perhaps add an eBook to their order. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, I have no connection with all eight books that Jim did with >>>>>> us of course, except to be in them all. >>>>>> I would note that it does require some work to convert each book and >>>>>> then publish it. >>>>>> Of course it is entirely up to Jim on whether this option (not always >>>>>> available) is worth doing and if he wants to be pushed out of >>>>>> retirement to work again on any of those eight! >>>>>> For whatever my opinion is worth, I thinks it's a big ask on Jim >>>>>> after eight years of a lot of work for us all. >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't blame me, Jim, sorry. I hope my decision for THIS year will >>>>>> mean more copies sold than we would have otherwise and more money to >>>>>> your >>>>> charity. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Geoff >>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 29 November 2014 at 13:12, Jay Burleson <leica at jayburleson.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Looking at a post today and a question was asked about the proposed >>>>>>> e-book version of this years book. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What I am wondering, is if the previous years books can be changed >>>>>>> in Blurb to add an e-book option? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It would be a way for folks to add to their collection at a >>>>>>> reasonable cost, plus add some more to the donation funds. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any ideas, Jim? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jay >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>> Photographer >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> Photographer >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photographer > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information