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Subject: [Leica] Noctilux and Sony A7?
From: sonc.hegr at gmail.com (Sonny Carter)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2014 00:30:03 -0600
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My experience with several lenses.

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 13, 2014, at 12:18 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote:
> 
> You may find it harder to use on digital than film....
> 
> john
> ________________________________________
> From: LUG [lug-bounces+john=mcmaster.co.nz at leica-users.org] on behalf 
> of Mark Rabiner [mark at rabinergroup.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 13 December 2014 6:10 p.m.
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Noctilux and Sony A7?
> 
> The f1 doesn't get all that close personally I covered myself but giving
> myself plenty to chose from in any situation but I didn't really miss that
> many shots with my 2  M6 rangefinders at f1.
> People are always talking for years on the lug about how non viable the
> Noctilux f1 has been. They say you canst use it like a normal lens. They 
> say
> you cant stop down. They say you cant focus. The list goes on and on.
> I've found NONE of those things to be true with my own shooting. Not one.
> The Noctilux f1 has long been a lens which people use very carefully for a
> couple of years because they fully plan and selling it after a couple of
> years. They just want to say they had one.... Been there done that. They
> seldom have anything to show for it. Except some trumped up negative 
> opinion
> to justify trading it in for the newest body. Its mainly a way to tie up
> some liquid assets with a red dot on it.
> It's more fun than a stack of greenbacks..
> It deserves more. As does the f .95
> Both are a perfect match for the long standing Leica rangefinder system.
> 
> 
>> On 12/12/14 11:54 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> With the M it can be done at anytime with Live view. But does it matter? 
>> So
>> you know it's out: now what? With the sony (or any EVF) WYSIWYG.
> 
> I guess
>> with the Sony, if there is little shutter lag, the EVF focusing would be
>> great. Is there? Is the newest Sony quieter with less lag? The M's lag 
>> with
>> EVF just kills getting the moment. Using the M's range finder is only 
>> limited
>> by your predictive/reactive capabilities. Personally I think at close 
>> distance
>> at f1 it's a crap shoot whatever you use. Chances are better the further 
>> away
>> you get. Physics rules.
> 
> I'd like to try a Sony someday. See how the Nocti
>> works... Let's get together!!
> :-)
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 12, 2014, at
>> 4:52 PM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 12,
>> 2014, at 4:48 PM, Lluis Ripoll <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>>> Thank you Steve, This will be a very interesting test. I have to tell you
>> that I?ve get a big improvement on my Lux 75 after I?ve sent it to 
>> Wetzlar to
>> be calibrated, at the same time I?ve ordered add the 6 bit coding, but I 
>> think
>> this has not any influence in focusing precision.
>> 
>> 
>> calibration helps,
>> but there is no way a week later or a year later, to know if it remains 
>> in the
>> same good calibration....aye there's the rub...
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Amiti?s
>>> 
>> Lluis
>>> 
>>>> El 13/12/2014, a las 01:40, Steve Barbour
>> <steve.barbour at gmail.com> escribi?:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 12, 2014, at 4:25
>> PM, Lluis Ripoll <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Your
>> Hospital images are unforgettable!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> you are very kind Lluis, here
>> I am thinking of the technical issues only, I may when time allows simply 
>> do a
>> series of dandelion shots: w Nocti at f1   and Summilux 75mm at f1.4,  on 
>> the
>> Sony 7,  to have a look...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> steve
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Amiti?s
>>>>> 
>> Lluis
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> El 13/12/2014, a las 01:16, Steve Barbour
>> <steve.barbour at gmail.com> escribi?:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Dec 12, 2014, at
>> 4:07 PM, Lluis Ripoll <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> Sonny,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I?ve never owned a Noctilux, just play with some ones
>> borrowed by friends but what do you say is in my opinion one of the
>> characteristics things of this lens, it is difficult obtain a perfect 
>> picture
>> but when yo got it it is exceptional?!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> exactly Lluis, a
>> major reason why it's difficult, is the need to obtain perfect  focus at 
>> f1.
>> When you focus imo with a Sony EVF with focus peaking, it's far easier to 
>> nail
>> the focus....
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> my experience with focussing a Noctilux at f1
>> derived from my earlier kids in hospital images....
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> steve
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Lluis
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> El 12/12/2014, a
>> las 22:57, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> escribi?:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The
>> point is to walk away with the image that you had in mind.  The image
>>>>>>>> 
>> that I wanted to show you.  Look! See what I see?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I was
>> unsuccessful with a Noctilux and made maybe three really wonderful
>>>>>>>> 
>> shots in the year I owned it, and a couple dozen I liked.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>> (Ironically, two of the shots were made into posters and sold several
>>>>>>>> 
>> hundred copies for the Natchitoches Historic Foundation.)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If
>> I
>>>>>>>> ?still ?
>>>>>>>> had it with a Sony or an M, I would be out there
>> with it glued to my
>>>>>>>> camera, because I'm crazy for available dark
>> pictures
>>>>>>>> ?, and I know I'd be lovin' it and you guys would be lookin'
>> at that EXIF
>>>>>>>> line and wishing you were me.  ;-)?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sonny
>>>>>>>> 
>> http://sonc.com/look/
>>>>>>>> Natchitoches, Louisiana
>>>>>>>> 1714
>>>>>>>> 
> 
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In reply to: Message from rgacpa at gmail.com (Bob Adler) ([Leica] Noctilux and Sony A7?)
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