Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/11/19

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Subject: [Leica] New M
From: sonc.hegr at gmail.com (Sonny Carter)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:28:47 -0600
References: <D273C0B8.4DB58%mark@rabinergroup.com>

You've obviously not noticed the half assed Olympus 2005 solution to live 
view on the 240 M.  

There's only one or two people on the LUG who have shot as much video as I 
have in their lives; to my mind, the Leica is as ergonomic as a trash can is 
for shooting video.  No one has enough hands to use it right.  There are 
several better was to do moving pictures with Leica glass.  By next year, 
most all new TV sets will be 4K, and the HD Leica image just won't cut it, 
no matter the glass.

If you weren't talking through your hat, you'd already be shooting pure 
Leica video.

from my iPad

Sonny Carter

> On Nov 19, 2015, at 5:08 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> 
> People think they know what features they really don't need on a camera 
> they
> really have little idea especially in this burgeoning digital technology..
> Its always what you don't think. Other people sure as hell aren't going to
> know what features I'm going to use or not use on a camera body. If I don't
> know they sure don't.
> With no Live View I'd get no focus peaking and 10x magnification.
> I've never used stuff like this so I'm in to position to say I'd not learn
> to love them or hate them.  I can say I'd not learn to love them if I had
> them removed from my camera options to shave off some money off the 
> thing...
> When I got my digital Nikon D's they had a dozen features I'd not heard of
> and didn't seem to be a thing I'd need the very same features which later
> become my favorite parts of the cameras. I think the camera companies do
> have some idea what we might need to have in a camera when they build one
> maybe give them the benefit of the doubt and give them a shot before we
> write them off.. These features.
> People think pros shoot at manual all the time disabling A and P and S and
> auto focus. Pros use everything all the time.
> That little light which turns on and helps your camera focus in very low
> light? We don't use that.
> 
> I'd KILL to be able to shoot live footage with my Leica M glass.
> I'd love it more than  I'd love an ice cream soda right this very minute.
> 
> I'm glad " 'Leica M Photography in its purest form" no longer means CCD
> sensors because that's vacuous. That's shooting oneself in the foot.
> Purity of image is great but at the cost of any real camera speed at all
> forget it.
> 
> 
>> On 11/19/15 4:26 PM, "Peter Klein" <boulanger.croissant at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> If I was in the market for a new color M camera, the 242 would actually
>> make sense for me. I don't care about video. And while Live View is nice 
>> to
>> have, other cameras do it much better than the 240. So why not save a
>> little? Two grand is not chicken feed.
>> 
>> --Peter
>> 
>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2015, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, if you had unlimited funds Mark, you would pay 2k more for features 
>>> you
>>> never would use? If so, why? I'm truly curious...
>>> Best,
>>> Bob
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com
>>> <javascript:;>>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Is someone who can gather 5 grand together for a camera not able to
>>> gather
>>>> 7?
>>>> Buying a new M and saving money do not go together. Its not a saving
>>> money
>>>> kinds of deal. Its a spending a huge amount  of money kind of deal.
>>>> Buying an older used M and saving money might make a small amount of
>>> sense.
>>>> A every frustrating situation the idea of buying a dumbed down M. Dumbed
>>>> down for the masses of really stupid rich people who always feel like a
>>>> buck
>>>> has to somehow be saved regardless of the consequences. A lot of those
>>>> around. "what's your BEST PRICE"?!?
>>> 
>>>> --
>> 
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> 
> 
> 
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