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Subject: [Leica] Process and scan to disc question
From: richard at richardmanphoto.com (Richard Man)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2016 01:59:52 -0700
References: <4A657342-AE89-4D79-B6FA-71354FBAB76C@icloud.com> <CAF8hL-GGhX2HK876u7+1dSYOYeYMrX46AD6uygHrUrqqYZWYjA@mail.gmail.com> <65012E89-AB9E-43D9-B528-BDE96825C01C@icloud.com> <CAF8hL-Eu4yu5PWv7+yeK47JZa6EpVBzd4f51A=HE2ruuzfYdKw@mail.gmail.com> <836FBA9B-8A92-488A-A89B-84D1FC26E801@icloud.com>

With Vuescan, make sure to set it as a "color neg" and not a "B&W neg" as
it's a C41 neg

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 1:38 AM, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at icloud.com>
wrote:

> Thank you Richard. I had just checked and come to that conclusion. At the
> moment I am shooting Fuji 400CN, and I am getting very poor scans through
> Vuescan with an overall lack of contrast which looks like fogging.
> Silverfast is doing a good job.
>
> Gerry
>
> > On 17 Mar 2016, at 08:35, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Silverfast does not scan as Raw, only Vuescan does, IIRC.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 1:30 AM, Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at 
> > icloud.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you Richard for your considered and informative answer. Now I
> >> understand. I am not sure Silverfast will scan as any raw format but I
> will
> >> carry on scanning as .tiff for now while I look at things.
> >>
> >> Gerry
> >>
> >>> On 17 Mar 2016, at 07:41, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Gerry, there are two aspects of B&W scanning that you need to consider:
> >>>
> >>> 1) scan as negative or positive. Some people scan as "B&W neg" and some
> >>> people scan as "(RGB) positive" then invert in Photoshop or the like.
> >> Some
> >>> people claim that certain scanning software ALWAYS clip if you scan as
> >> B&W
> >>> neg (I believe NikonScan is one of them) so option 2) gives more fully
> >>> tonal result.
> >>>
> >>> 2) Save as Raw/DNG or TIFF/JPG. Note that TIFF is "full quality" where
> >> JPG
> >>> is compressed, but otherwise they are the same in this discussion.
> >>> Certainly, always save as TIFF rather than JPG as you want the highest
> >>> quality.
> >>>
> >>> If you save as TIFF/JPG, then usually you have the scanner software
> >>> applying some tone curves and such, so that the image looks pretty good
> >>> already, then it's minor way in LR/PSD to get to the final image. In
> this
> >>> regard, it's rather like having a digital camera saving the images as
> >> JPG.
> >>>
> >>> If you save as Raw/DNG, then the scanner software will try to maintain
> as
> >>> much information as possible, e.g. minimal tone curves and exposure
> >>> adjustments, so that it can be processed further post-scan. The
> downside
> >> is
> >>> that it takes a bit more work in LR/PSD to get to the final result. The
> >>> upside is that if you improve your LR/PSD skills or if better
> processing
> >>> software are to become available, then you can go back to the original
> >>> Raw/DNG file and redo it.
> >>>
> >>> ***
> >>> Personally, right now I scan as B&W neg or save in TIFF format. With
> >> medium
> >>> format /4x5 (I rarely shoot 35mm film any more), there is so much
> >>> information from those scans that I do not think it's worthwhile to use
> >> the
> >>> other options.
> >>>
> >>> YMMV.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 11:48 PM, Gerry Walden <
> gerry.walden at icloud.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> A number (Peter, Lluis etc) have mentioned scanning b&w as either
> .tiff
> >> or
> >>>> even .dng. I cannot see any obvious advantage to this, so could
> somebody
> >>>> pease enlighten me. I tried a couple to .dng which was a pain in
> >> Lightroom
> >>>> as they came out as negatives and the sliders worked the wrong way. I
> am
> >>>> currently scanning as .tiff but (to be honest) don?t really know why.
> >>>> Thanks!
> >>>>
> >>>> Gerry
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Gerry Walden LRPS
> >>>> www.gwpics.com
> >>>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
> >>>> +44 (0)797 287 7932
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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