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Subject: [Leica] Why Pros in general and us mateurs do NOT or SHOULD NOT use Leica......
From: scottgregory at mac.com (Scott Gregory)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2016 15:00:42 -0400
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Maybe Steve you should put a list together of all Leica owners on this list, 
especially M9 owners and send that list to Leica NJ. With instructions that 
tell them if we don't get cameras returned in a month there will be 
"negative talk" on the Lug!  :)
Scott

> On Oct 7, 2016, at 11:44 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> wrote:
> 
> I suspect that it  is more than an hour or two's work plus there is 
> probably quite a backlog.... I regard it as a free CLA and calibration 
> since they have to dismantle the whole camera effectively.
> 
> All my Leica kit is registered on 
> http://en.members-2014.leica-camera.com/Members-Area When I first sent an 
> item in France they must have looked at what I own (via serial number) as 
> my logon changed from just a name to my French email with a different 
> password, not sure if that has any effect on priority.
> 
> john
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
>> On Oct 7, 2016, at 7:49 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> wrote:
>> 
>> The sensor replacements were about 8 weeks each, the AF motor is  three 
>> weeks door to door. Not ideal but the sensors hopefully will not need 
>> replaced again, AF motor in S lenses is still not sorted but is 
>> apparently high priority in Wetzlar. All these times are direct (UPS 
>> labels sent out from Leica) from France to Wetzlar with return direct to 
>> me rather than via French distributor.
> 
> 
> it is terrific that you and Tina receive such good service. The fact that 
> the rest of us do not is beyond intolerable and it is unacceptable. One 
> might ask, why 8 weeks for a job that perhaps takes an hour or two? Really 
> I don?t get it, except most of the time involved is not work time. My 
> first sensor replacement in Germany took months until a friend I spoke 
> with requested action, then it took a week. I just sent my M9 to NJ for 
> the same job.
> 
> 
> steve
>> 
>> john
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2016, at 12:09 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.fr> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Trying to work out where your hold-up is, Solms/Wetzlar have sent my kit 
>>> back within a day or so of completion. In the last 12 months, three 
>>> sensors (M9, original Monochrom and S2-P, plus currently on my third S 
>>> AF failure), all carried out free including shipping?..
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> that is the way it should be, how long did it take?  I wonder why the 
>> enormous difference in the service different people have received. Leica 
>> needs to look into this and correct it.
>> 
>> 
>> steve
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> john
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> 
>>> John.. are you REALLY willing to pull my chain when I am basically 
>>> exploding over this issue?????
>>> 
>>> Really????????????
>>> 
>>> Frank Filippone
>>> Red735i at verizon.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+red735i=verizon.net at leica-users.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of John McMaster
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 1:58 PM
>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Why Pros in general and us mateurs do NOT or SHOULD 
>>> NOT use Leica......
>>> 
>>> Leica Wetzlar or NJ? I had my M9 sensor replaced on an eight week 
>>> turnaround door to door....
>>> 
>>> john
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+john=mcmaster.fr at leica-users.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Frank Filippone
>>> Sent: Thursday, 6 October 2016 8:57 p.m.
>>> To: 'Leica Users Group'
>>> Subject: [Leica] Why Pros in general and us mateurs do NOT or SHOULD NOT 
>>> use Leica......
>>> 
>>> My M9 is STILL at Leica?.
>>> 
>>> 2 weeks ago Tuesday I was told it would ship that day.
>>> 
>>> Waited a week, checked, and they were going to ship it THAT day
>>> 
>>> Checked yesterday, it will ship that day
>>> 
>>> Today, it is still at Leica and will ship today??
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It is like the old joke? Free Beer.. Manana
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Today?s story is that I will get  tracker number this afternoon?..
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I made 4 calls today to reach someone.. the previous ?record? was 10 
>>> calls?.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And you wonder why only (who cares if it is an exaggeration?.!) rich 
>>> amateurs can afford Leica???????  Pros can not be bothered with the 
>>> hassle?..
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It is not a matter of not having a camera to shoot with ( the A7 and the 
>>> MM can do the job)
>>> 
>>> It is MY camera, and I want it back?..
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As an amateur, I am entitled to absolutely NO special service?..  no 
>>> rush, no nada.
>>> 
>>> The camera was sent to Leica on July 8.  In case you are going to 
>>> calculate, that is 3 months.
>>> 
>>> It has been sitting on the shelf at Leica, repaired, for at least a 
>>> week, probably 2 weeks?.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The problem was that the glass cover plate over the sensor fell off? 
>>> loose?.  On the 8th day of a 42 day vacation.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Please. No comments on how you got your Leica back in 4 seconds, all 
>>> fixed, from a basket case of screws nuts and bolts?..
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My previous experience was an M6 sent on for repair, and when it got 
>>> back, the body case was so badly bent that a film cassette would not 
>>> fit? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Are these guys really serious about getting market share?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you NEED to have your camera functional, maybe a Nikon or Canon 
>>> really is a better choice?. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rant off.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Frank Filippone
>>> 
>>> Red735i at verizon.net
>>> 
> 
> 
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