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Subject: [Leica] Learning Lightroom
From: hlritter at twc.com (Howard L Ritter Jr)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 10:10:54 -0500
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That?s very logical and helpful, Jayanand. Thanks. I?ll save this.

?howard


> On Jan 7, 2017, at 11:15 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Tina,
> To me that does not make sense. This is my workflow:
> 
> 1. Camera Profile - Starting point!
> 
> 2. Lens Corrections - Profile corrections and chromatic aberration control
> 
> 3. Noise reduction, if required - I find Lightroom's algorithm very good,
> especially for luminance noise.
> 
> 4. Crop/Alignment/Horizon - because what remains after the crop decides the
> processing.
> 
> 5. White Point/Black Point: Set the parameters
> 
> 6. Exposure/Contrast: The global tonal look
> 
> 7. Highlights/Shadows: Overall highlight and shadow detail, a rather blunt
> tool, to be used conservatively
> 
> 8. WB/Tint: The global colour correction/overall look/removing colour casts
> - this is by and large a creative decision.
> 
> If I apply gradient filters and the like, I might revisit these for fine
> tuning. Unless I have decided to only process a shot for casual internet
> viewing, or a snapshot for memories, I do not touch
> Clarity/Saturation/Vibrance/Colour/Sharpening/Tonal Adjustments/B&W
> Conversion- these are all done after exporting into Photoshop via both
> Curves Layers and the Google Nik Suite, where there is far more local
> control, and finally Photokit Sharpener.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Cheers
> Jayanand
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 8:31 AM, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I read that LR specifically ordered the adjustments from top to bottom in
>> the order they should be applied. Have you found that to be true? I always
>> work in order from top to bottom.
>> 
>> Tina
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2017, at 9:33 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I personally think that the order in which you do the adjustments are
>> extremely important, as I found the results are quite different if the
>> workflow order changes,  and that is where other experienced 
>> photographer's
>> input is important. Again, so many adjustments/procedures  are hidden away
>> that I found I needed a comprehensive tutorial which was invaluable in
>> uncovering them all. Of course, YMMV!
>>> Cheers
>>> Jayanand
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On 08-Jan-2017, at 03:40, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Experimenting works!  It is becoming more intuitive every day. :-)
>>>> 
>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>> 
>>>>> On 1/7/2017 3:38 PM, Philippe wrote:
>>>>> Jim, a tutorial may be helpful of course
>>>>> 
>>>>> But trying and experimenting by yourself is probably the best way to
>> go as
>>>>> 
>>>>> i.    LR is extremely intuitive
>>>>> 
>>>>> ii    you may find other routes than the ? prescribed ? ones, and that
>> match your style, taste, etc better
>>>>> 
>>>>> Plus, I DO believe we learn by mistakes, or am I mistaken on that too?
>>>>> 
>>>>> :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> AMities
>>>>> Philippe
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Le 7 janv. 2017 ? 21:58, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net> a
>> ?crit :
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have those bookmarked, and have watched quite a few.  They are
>> quite helpful.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 1/7/2017 2:55 PM, Tina Manley wrote:
>>>>>>> +1!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tina
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Gerry Walden <
>> gerry.walden at icloud.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Adobe themselves do some very good free videos on the web site and
>>>>>>>> YouTube, particularly those by Julianne Kost.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Gerry
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 7 Jan 2017, at 15:27, Howard L Ritter Jr <hlritter at twc.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jayanand! I?ll check them out.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ?howard
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 10:46 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj <
>> jayanand at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> STATUTORY WARNING: The really good ones require payment!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I have used all these, at some point or the other. I subscribe
>> annually
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> Scott Kelby's training site for a variety of stuff, not limited to
>>>>>>>>>> Lightroom alone. He also has good instructional books on
>> Lightroom:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Matt Kloskowski: http://mattk.com/
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Andy Biggs:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.theglobalphotographer.com/the-
>> global-photographer/2016/12/7/
>>>>>>>> lightroom-simplified-my-video-series.html
>>>>>>>>>> Scott Kelby: http://kelbyone.com/course-
>> category/lightroom/?page=1
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Victoria Bampton: https://www.lightroomqueen.com/
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Jason Odell (especially good for Nik tutorials):
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.luminescentphoto.com/blog/eshop/guides-to-
>>>>>>>> adobe-lightroom-photoshop/
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>> Jayanand
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 9:00 AM, Howard L Ritter Jr <
>> hlritter at twc.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone have any suggestions for instructional books or
>> videos for
>>>>>>>>>>> learning LR? Personal experiences appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ?howard
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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