Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2017/06/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Ain?t that the truth! Gerry > On 16 Jun 2017, at 02:17, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote: > > Gerry if you ask how to hold a hammer, they'll draw plans for a house > around here. > > from my iPad > > Sonny Carter > >> On Jun 15, 2017, at 5:17 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >> wrote: >> >> Gerry many people use too much Photo flo and they get marks because of >> that. >> You squeegee with your two fingers never a rubber thing or sponge. Your >> first and second fingers. Really. >> And I think Photo Flo is the reason why film dries well or messed up it >> takes care of hard water and most anything else but will be the problem >> itself just as often if too much is used. >> Normally I?d say use a cap from the bottle of photo flo as that?s what >> we always did but I check and the cap is way large now. >> I check now and ?Available in 3 different concentrations? so you have to >> read the back of the bottle and if it doesn?t work try using half that >> amount. >> It should not be all foamy. Only a hint of foam. >> >> Kodak 1464510 Photo-flo 200 Wetting Agent >> And if that doesn?t work get a gallon of Distilled water for a last dip >> only to put the photo flo in. >> I put filters in my water lines I got from Calumet. They?re from Chicago. >> >> Mark William Rabiner >> >> On 6/15/17, 5:07 PM, "LUG on behalf of Gerry Walden" >> <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of >> gerry.walden at icloud.com> wrote: >> >> Forgive me, but when I asked this question I just wanted to know >> whether there were any new kids on the block as far as developers went. I >> ssem to have stirred up a hornets nest. >> >> I remember now that I used to use Xtol 1:3 and it was about the best >> around. If I go back to home processing that is what I will use. My big >> problem is drying marks through film drying and final wash with very hard >> chalky water. >> >> Gerry >> >> Gerry Walden LRPS >> www.gwpics.com >> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or >> +44 (0)797 287 7932 >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 15 Jun 2017, at 17:31, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: >>> >>> Lluis I used to roll my film back to back two rolls in the same reel! >>> And taught my assistants to do it. A few of them were incredulous. I >>> got this from a Bill Pierce column in Popular photography in the early >>> 70?s it worked. >>> But it makes Kodak?s recommendations as to limits of Xtol and puts them >>> in the dust. >>> I ran 8 rolls of 35mm film in a liter or quart of 1:3 Xtol. >>> Then dumped it down the drain. My times where close to what they should >>> have been. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> Photographer >>> >>> On 6/15/17, 10:40 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography" >>> <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of >>> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Mark, >>> >>> Thank you for useful information, very interesting to learn it! You >>> mention Delta 400, yes it is a great film, I?ve not use it after a while >>> and just the past days I was in the darkroom enlarging, the pics with >>> this one was very fine. >>> >>> Your recomendation about testing dilution is also very interesting to >>> follow. >>> >>> Thank you >>> Lluis >>> >>> >>> >>>> El 15 juny 2017, a les 14:25, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>> va escriure: >>>> >>>> If you Bing it or Google it for 15 minutes you?ll see the top, smart, >>>> nice, funny spiritual people are all at 1:3. The ones whose prints sold >>>> for the most money and who dressed better. >>>> Diluting Xtol 1:3 instead of 1:2 ads a couple of more minutes to it its >>>> way worth it. With that you get better edge caracteristics which is >>>> directly linked to higher dilution. And other advantages I was using >>>> 1:2 for a while and my prints were obviously worse. >>>> >>>> By the way in my college in the early 70?s in St. Louis, we did us >>>> students who were always in the darkroom an unusual thing which I?d >>>> never heard of other places. We all ran our film in D76 1:2 instead of >>>> 1:1. The students who came in in the beginning of the year and ran the >>>> recommended 1:1 and universal default had prints you could spot across >>>> the room as being way less sharp. Way less edge. And way less sharp >>>> grain. But a tad less grain. And they were not very nice people who >>>> told bad jokes. It looked like they were shooting with Spiratone lenes. >>>> A good policy is to dilute until you hit a point when you?re seeing >>>> uneven development in your negs. Washed out areas. Then you back up a >>>> notch. But you?ll ahead of time see what everyone else is doing. >>>> Neopan Acros 100 Xtol 1:3 16? minutes 70 degrees? agitation every >>>> minute and the first full minute. >>>> All film listed here is 1:3 70 degrees F, agitation every minute 10 >>>> seconds and the first full minute. >>>> Delta 100 14? >>>> Delta 3200 16? >>>> Delta 400 14? Neopan 1600 RIP my main film when out and about >>>> shooting for myself. Even with a Noctilux. 12 minutes and looks like >>>> an iso 100 film. And here you are shooting it on the street. No tripod. >>>> I used it for on location commercial jobs no flash or tripod. The 100 >>>> with the studio strobes in the studio. Delta 100 from Ilford as just >>>> about as good. >>>> Neopan Acros 100 16 ? as high a rez film anyone would ever want or need >>>> in Xtol 1:3 >>>> Get a tank so you can develop 8 rolls at a time or I can see your point >>>> and wanting to keep shorter times. >>>> You?ll shoot more with a big boy tank. >>>> Pan F 50, they still make it. 12? >>>> Tri X 400 11? >>>> Tri X Pro 320 in 120 or 220 format, 15? >>>> All the other times here is for 35mm format. Times are different for >>>> different formats why no one knows. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> Photographer >>>> >>>> On 6/15/17, 7:32 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography" >>>> <lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of >>>> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Chris, Dan >>>> >>>> I will do 1+1 on my next two films, I want avoid long develping times. >>>> I?ve used HC110 many years ago, but I liked better ID11/D76 >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Lluis >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> El 15 juny 2017, a les 11:49, Christopher Crawford <chris at >>>>> chriscrawfordphoto.com> va escriure: >>>>> >>>>> Its been years since I used Xtol. I never really liked the tonality as >>>>> much as D-76, though Xtol does give finer grain. I got best results >>>>> diluted 1+1. >>>>> >>>>> Be careful with higher dilutions. Kodak, when it first came out, listed >>>>> times for 1+2 and 1+3 dilutions. A lot of photographers got severely >>>>> underdeveloped negs with those dilutions, using Kodak?s times. Turns >>>>> out, >>>>> Xtol cannot stand being diluted that much unless you develop the film >>>>> in a >>>>> much larger tank than you normally need. I think there had to be 200ml >>>>> of >>>>> stock in the diluted developer for each roll, so for 1+3 developing, >>>>> you >>>>> could do only one roll in a 32ox tank that could hold four rolls! >>>>> >>>>> Kodak published the minimum stock quantity needed but a lot of people >>>>> ignored it and complained, so they just stopped publishing the times >>>>> for >>>>> the higher dilutions! >>>>> >>>>> I actually have a copy in PDF format of the original Xtol info booklet, >>>>> but the times would be off for Kodak films now since Kodak reformulated >>>>> Tri-X and the Tmax films since then. They did publish times for Ilford >>>>> films, which might still work if you?re interested in seeing it. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Chris Crawford >>>>> Fine Art Photography >>>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana >>>>> 260-437-8990 >>>>> >>>>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >>>>> >>>>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 >>>>> Become a fan on Facebook >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 6/15/17, 5:15 AM, "LUG on behalf of lluisripollphotography" >>>>> <lug-bounces+chris=chriscrawfordphoto.com at leica-users.org on behalf >>>>> of >>>>> lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I don?t have a large experience with Xtol, I?ve used for years >>>>>> ID11/D76. >>>>>> I?ve developed my two last films of Bergger Pancro 400 in Xtol Stock >>>>>> at >>>>>> the recomended time, but I?m unhappy with the results. I?ve used it in >>>>>> stock to get the shortest developing time and minimize the grain >>>>>> effect. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would like hear your experiences with Xtol, I mainly use FP4 and >>>>>> HP5. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks in advance >>>>>> >>>>>> Lluis >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information