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Subject: [Leica] First film in a long time
From: jshulman at judgecrater.com (Jim Shulman)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 07:35:38 -0400
References: <66AFCD6E-D798-4781-9304-F10E841FEC60@twc.com> <CA+yJO1CvFNDH-WWM1XhOgMgbD8HQH=YYftQAE8XBPs2g_fb6rg@mail.gmail.com> <002e01d3fed0$d9567150$8c0353f0$@ca>

Other than  churls like myself, who cling to film as Victorian spinsters
clung to antimacassars, there's no reason to stay with film.

However, pre digital media made many photographic careers possible that
would otherwise not exist.  Prior to the advent of digital imaging, it took
some skill and technical expertise to get anything worthwhile for
publication.  That equalled jobs--the pro who could get the shot without a
Polaroid test, the Ektachrome retoucher, darkroom specialists, master
printers, etc.  Inefficient creation and distribution of information made
good-paying careers that no longer exist.  In today's media environment a
prime minister sliding down a banister would robably have been captured on
video by more than one amateur with a smartphone and instantly made
available over many platforms.  Within ten minutes it might have become a
meme.  Only the distribution channels would have (possibly) made any money
from it.

On Thu, Jun 7, 2018, 10:30 PM Ted Grant via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> 
wrote:

> Hi Tina,
> I CAN'T IMAGINE RETURNING TO "film!" It is an archaic form of recording
> photo image/moments!
> I also realize there are a great number of photog-newbie's trying it and I
> think that is wonderful for them to have a go at souping film and the big
> pain in the butt in doing so!
> But during my career on assignments I would return to home and darkroom
> with several hundred rolls of film to process and make contact sheets. Not
> just the two or three rolls from about the city assignments.
> Where today and digital, the darkroom is eliminated all together!!!!
> Yes there's a sort of "computer/screen time editing" after a shoot/ but
> nothing to clean-up.
> There isn't any mess to clean print washers and dryers, nor darkroom to
> always have to clean-up, along with all the garbage.
> It just isn't worth the cost of photo paper, film, enlarger, chemicals,
> dyers and all the rest of the paraphernalia.
> But too each his/her own which they may choose. But if someone begins with
> digital? Then tries to switch to film, I just can't imagine they'll stay
> with it other than giving it a bit of a try? Then forgetting it altogether
> and return quickly to digital!
> But then??? who knows???????????? :-)
> cheers,
> Dr. Ted Grant O.C.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Tina Manley via LUG
> Sent: June-07-18 1:21 PM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Cc: Tina Manley
> Subject: Re: [Leica] First film in a long time
>
> I do prefer the phone photo in these.  It makes me wonder why anybody
> bothers with film these days.  I don't have the time, patience, or money to
> use film anymore.
>
> Tina
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 12:43 AM, Howard L Ritter Jr <hlritter at twc.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I decided to dip into film photography again, and this is the first
> fruit:
> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/hlritter/bwphotos/ <
> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/hlritter/bwphotos/>
> >
> > We were driving the Blue Ridge Parkway in western NC near the town of
> > Boone. I pulled into an overlook to watch a spring shower move across the
> > mountains and valleys. I captured a B&W film image with a Leica R9, 21-35
> > Elmarit, and Tmax 100, and one with my iPhone. I?ve posted both, both
> > tweaked for contrast in PS. I?ve also posted the iPhone image converted
> to
> > greyscale, just for comparison.
> >
> > I certainly like the B&W, but I?m not sure this kind of largely
> > mid-grey-toned scene (as opposed to Lluis-type street scenes) is what B&W
> > is made for. Here I think the color image works best.
> >
> > And I?m either disappointed in the quality of the film image or impressed
> > by that of the iPhone image ? both, I guess. This kind of image quality
> > from a camera tucked in almost as an afterthought, just because they
> could
> > do it, into the corner of a cell phone! That?s borderline miraculous.
> >
> > I didn?t expect this much grain with Tax 100, but I may have been
> > heavy-handed with Photoshop on the film image. Also, the scale of the
> > iPhone image is larger, with an equivalent FL of 28mm vs. the 21mm of the
> > film image. I?m going to scan the negative with my own scanner to get
> > equivalent pixels-per-degree in both images, re-process them both, and
> see.
> >
> >
> > C&C welcome.
> >
> > ?howard
> >
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>
>
> --
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>
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