Re: [Leica] Re- Clementine

["Jack Herron" <jherron@theriver.com>]

Don,
    Lighten up already!  Kim's posts have been gentle and only suggestive in
manner, and were not the cause of the offence, which, if I recall right, was
largely done by the highly caustic post of Fred Neanderthal (Spelling?), to
include calling the photographer "stupid".
    His post, and yours, highly reek of "control" issues, but not her's.
    Someone must have pissed in your cornflakes.  Kim certainly did not do
anything to justify your post.
Jack
Jack C. Herron
8118 E. 20th St.
Tucson, AZ 85710
520 885-6933
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Don R." <don.ro@verizon.net>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Re- Clementine


> Kim:
>
> And what business of yours was it to lecture a specific photographer about
> anything much less legal matters? If you don't have a state bar license I
> seriously doubt your are qualified to give a legal opinion and may be
guilty
> of  barristery.
>
> Just the typical "control freak" wanting to control one more human being I
> take it.
>
> If  "model release" is an "issue for potential discussion"  as you now
say,
> why not give us your dissertation but leave the specific photographer out
of
> it.  Then you may ramble on with no harm being done.
>
> Let the specific photographer alone. Let him do his thing.
>
> By the way, where are your Leica photos?
>
> Don R.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Teresa299@aol.com>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 7:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Re- Clementine
>
>
> >
> > In a message dated 9/30/02 4:59:19 PM, gregj.lorenzo@shaw.ca writes:
> >
> > << I agree!
> >
> > Pascal wrote:
> >
> > >On 30-09-2002 17:32 Neal Friedenthal wrote:
> > >
> > >>I usually avoid jumping in on these "controversial" threads, but I
have
> to
> > do
> > >>so here. While I have no problems with the image itself, it is quite
> nice
> > and
> > >>very
> > >>tastefully done, everyone seems to have missed one important issue,
> > Clementine
> > >>is only 17 years old. At 17 she is below the age of concent.  Her
parent
> or
> > >>guardian would have to give permission for the picture to be posted or
> for
> > >>that matter taken. The photographer has left himself open for possible
> civil
> > >>or even
> > >>criminal action should the girl or her parents object to the photo. To
> > >>photograph a minor, nude, without parental permission and supervision
> leaves
> > >>the
> > >>photographer open to a charge of statutory rape even if, as I'm sure
is
> the
> > >>case here, nothing more happened than the photo session.  To take the
> photo
> > >>even
> > >>with parental concent would in my opinion be ill advised, to post it
> without
> > >>permission is downright stupid.  Believe me I am no prude, but I am a
> > realist
> > >>you have
> > >>to cover your butt in this world.
> > >>
> > >
> > >I think that those who had a concern over this should have better
> contacted
> > >Gerry directly via private email instead of stirring up yet another
> debate
> > >in the LUG.
> > >
> > >Pascal
> > >NO ARCHIVE
> > > >>
> >
> >
> > I understand that the LUG has been irrationally contentious of late, but
I
> > certainly hope that in the spirit of civility the LUG doesn't become a
> hollow
> > shell of yes-men and a few women.
> >
> > I raised the issue of consent not as a form of bashing Gerry on the head
> but
> > simply expressing that in my mind it's a common courtesy to ask a nude
> > subject's consent before posting his or her photo on the web.   Whilst I
> > could have emailed Gerry directly, why would I?  Neither my point nor my
> post
> > was intended or contructed to embarass the man, rather it's an issue of
> > potential discussion.
> >
> > If simple discussion of issues on the LUG has automatically become
equated
> > with controversy I'm hard pressed to see which is worse, unending
> bickering
> > or the silent death that befalls a community of folks afraid to speak.
> >
> >
> > -kim
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