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Subject: [Leica] Capa or here we go again
From: walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson)
Date: Mon Jan 28 12:01:05 2008
References: <C3C397AA.2761F%bd@bdcolenphoto.com>

 Personally, I think if a country goes to way its citizens need the 
"unvarnished" truth. We all make mistakes and we all live with them 
Unfortunately, some mistakes are more notable than others. There are 
times  though the grief caused by getting an image wreaks more havoc 
than the image itself. :-(

B. D. Colen wrote:
> Unfortunately not. It was in Arlington, VA, right, or Falls Church...just
> outside the city...I do know that Adams long-regretted the shot and the
> grief it caused Loan in later years.
>
>
> On 1/28/08 2:17 PM, "Walt Johnson" <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Did you every eat in his D.C. restaurant?
>>
>> slobodan dimitrov wrote:
>>     
>>> It is, Lt. Colonel Nguyen Ngoc Loan.
>>>
>>> Photographers should leave the writing of history to historians, and
>>> then quote them.
>>>
>>> Journalist, on the other hand, should leave analysis to historians, as
>>> the also lack the foundational background to put two and two together.
>>> s.d.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 28, 2008, at 8:41 AM, B. D. Colen wrote:
>>>
>>> Good Lord, Howard - What is so improbable that someone might shoot two
>>> people dying on approximately the same spot if the photographer was
>>> crouched
>>> nearby, camera pointed toward the spot?
>>>
>>> I think what puzzles me the most about all this is not whether or not
>>> it is
>>> real, but the seeming compulsion on the part of some to insist that it is
>>> not.
>>>
>>> How is it that Eddie Adams managed to push his shutter release at the
>>> precise instant the Gen. Lon's bullet entered the skull of the VC
>>> captive?
>>> Was that execution staged for Adams? Was he complicit in it?
>>>
>>> How did Bob Jackson happen to be in precisely the right position to
>>> get that
>>> astounding photo of Jack Ruby shooting Oswald? Was he tipped ahead
>>> that the
>>> shooting would take place?
>>>
>>> I don't think anyone asks those questions, yet, if one believes that
>>> uncritical "acceptance of this most improbable coincidence is inadequate,
>>>       
>>>> irresponsible journalism" is the only way to view the possibility
>>>> that Capa
>>>>         
>>> shot - sorry - two people on the same spot, how can one deal with
>>> those other
>>> two astounding coincidences?
>>>
>>> B. D.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/28/08 11:21 AM, "Walt Johnson" <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Howard
>>>>
>>>> I knew some good would come from my recent generosity in the collection
>>>> plate. Even the damn clouds are in identical formations. Too much
>>>> cogitation and too little evidence. Any one who has worked an interview
>>>> knows the ease of proving their original point of view. Especially, when
>>>> dealing with such antiquities. Where the hell are Scully and Mulder when
>>>> we need them? :-)
>>>>
>>>> Walt
>>>>
>>>> Howard Ritter wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> Strange that the the writer's painstaking research and cogitation
>>>>> weren't accompanied by even a passing question about how ONE
>>>>> photographer happened to snap the shutter at the moments of the deaths
>>>>> of TWO different soldiers within a few minutes at the VERY SAME SPOT
>>>>> on a hillside. Not a word of skepticism on this point! Uncritical
>>>>> acceptance of this most improbable coincidence is inadequate,
>>>>> irresponsible journalism.
>>>>>
>>>>> To my mind, the second and lesser-known photograph is prima facie
>>>>> evidence of several iterations of a staging. Unfortunately, this piece
>>>>> does nothing to resolve the controversy.
>>>>>
>>>>> --howard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 27, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Tarek Charara wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> There was this essay posted here a few months ago:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://www.pbs.org/wnet/americanmasters/database/capa_r.html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For whatever it's worth... :^)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best from the south of France!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tarek
>>>>>>             
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