Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/01/05
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I still shoot film so naturally that is B&W all the way. It's been Tri-X and Neopan 1600 but I should do more ISO 100 on landscape stuff. Digital starts with colors of course and the non-artsy-fartsy stuff stay that way. Artsy stuff get converted into B&W. Nik Silver Effect seems to be the current standard and the demo looks good. Printing B&W inkjet on gloss paper had been a PITA, but I have it under control now. I wish I could do Ted's "push a button and it comes out great." I don't think I am the only one though. When my printer finally bites the dust, I think I will switch to Epson and use Roy Harrington's QuadRIP system. That seems to address the issues quite well. I have seen Roy's prints and they are gorgeous. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > Standing out is good. I don't mind standing out. > I guess what I'm saying is it seemed more natural to shoot black and white > pre year 2000. And it seems more natural to shoot color now. > Naturalness is good. > > In the past color darkrooms were a pain and the results you'd get with > them > would fade but in the last years of film dominance the galleries were not > shy of filling walls with them. And they supposedly don't fade like they > used to. > > All that perhaps needs to happen to change some of this is for Adobe > software to have the stuff in it that nikon software has.. that they want > you to pay for does. All kinds of black and white settings that you can put > in at the time of shooting. See in the back of your camera. Then also see > when it pops up big on your computer screen at the time of, rating, editing > and tweaking. I would just expect that to happen soon. Because the Adobe > raw filter is going to remain the standard and the norm. And when it does > happen perhaps I'll be changing my tune. And shooting and printing more > black and white. > > Another thing is that color inkjet is a top ranked front row for sure > process for color printing. > While black and white inkjets this is less the solid case over silver > gelatin prints. I think its a tossup between the two. > > I'd very much rather an inkjet than a Cibachrome or C print. Or any other > common color darkroom processes I can think of. > For such rarities as a Fresson print or Dye transfer who knows? > > > -------------------- > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > mark at rabinergroup.com > Cars: http://tinyurl.com/2f7ptxb > > > > > > From: Richard Man <richard at imagecraft.com> > > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > > Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:57:52 -0800 > > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > > Subject: Re: [Leica] What are the most important aspects of a > photographic > > image? > > > > But isn't this a great argument for fine honing one's skill in B&W, as to > > stand out? :-) > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > wrote: > > > >> Used for what? though as I've not been making this clear nor has anyone > >> else. > >> Shooting for the media we sure see mainly color. > >> Shooting for the fine art gallery market I think its a toss up. With > color > >> advancing over black and white. > >> I'm not sure about what other important categories there might be. > >> Commercial photography? Very little black and white at this point. > >> Portrait photography? Ten percent for those artsy people. > >> What else? > >> Promotional > >> Fashion > >> Event > >> Interiors > >> Industrial > >> Theatrical > >> > >> Less and less black and white I'm seeing. > >> As less and less stuff is for print. Which cost more for 4 color. And > more > >> and more stuff is for internet. Which is all color. > >> > >> I did walk into my apartment building last night and there was a > newspaper > >> on the floor in the mail area and the cover shot was black and white. > It > >> was the NY Times. So people are still seeing breaking news in black and > >> white. > >> > >> And I think a basic issue is they don't make black and white compact > flash > >> cards. So people are going to tend to see in color. > >> > >> > >> -------------------- > >> Mark William Rabiner > >> Photography > >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > >> mark at rabinergroup.com > >> Cars: http://tinyurl.com/2f7ptxb > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> From: Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com> > >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >>> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 09:01:02 -0800 > >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] What are the most important aspects of a > >> photographic > >>> image? > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jan 4, 2011, at 8:39 AM, George Lottermoser wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> On Jan 4, 2011, at 12:12 AM, Steve Barbour wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> or to put it another way.... if it depends on color to make its > impact, > >>>>> then it's largely lost, > >>>> > >>>> It really seems that we're slicing this subject much too thin; > >>>> and expressing very personal preferences > >>> > >>> > >>> I don't think this is true George....clearly color should be used, "if > >> it's > >>> about color" but "if the image depends on color (only) to make its > >> impact, > >>> then it's largely lost"... > >>> > >>> > >>> is this not basically correct? If it's not correct, why? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Steve > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> rather than useful pointers. > >>>> > >>>> Fine color photographs will use color extremely well > >>>> as a major and important element. > >>>> Ric, Kyle and others demonstrates this on a weekly basis. > >>>> > >>>> In other cases - yes - color can seem to get in the way > >>>> of what may be an otherwise strong graphic image. > >>>> > >>>> Bottom line: > >>>> the photographer must speak substantively > >>>> and in a style appropriate to their own vision. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> George Lottermoser > >>>> george at imagist.com > >>>> http://www.imagist.com > >>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog > >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > // richard <http://www.imagecraft.com/> > > // icc blog: <http://imagecraft.com/blog/> > > // photo blog: <http://www.5pmlight.com> > > [ For technical support on ImageCraft products, please include all > previous > > replies in your msgs. ] > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- // richard <http://www.imagecraft.com/> // icc blog: <http://imagecraft.com/blog/> // photo blog: <http://www.5pmlight.com> [ For technical support on ImageCraft products, please include all previous replies in your msgs. ]