Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/03/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Come on Henning, Leica must make a lot more money on a Himalayan rat skin covered 50 year anniversary MP Classic than hundreds of batteries :-) On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Henning Wulff <henningw at archiphoto.com>wrote: > Please, whoever feels this way keep buying Leica batteries. Leica needs > the money. > > > On 2013-03-15, at 1:42 AM, Cedric Agie <cedric.agie at gmail.com> wrote: > > > I would be interested by one or more pictures made from the dead > > batteries you opened. > > When opening the dead body, maybe you simply did not see a tiny device > > i.e.a few mm or even less with two or more hairthin wires that can > > also act as a fuse. > > Since there is a 3rd contact in the battery and also inside the > > charger, I have good reasons to think there is a form of protection > > that could go unnoticed, certainly if the inside is inbedded in solid > > plastic or even silicone. > > > > One PC and Laptoplaptop maker I know, a huge company known worldwide, > > simply protects their Laptops with an elaborate printed circuit inside > > the batterie wich also contains a special code. This code makes the > > use of third party batteries simply impossible. Even some brands of > > inkjet cartridges have a small microprocessor that controls and > > regulates the level of the ink. If you refill them half way, you can > > continue to work with it. If it reaches the end it warns you and you > > cannot refill them anymore, unless you reprogram them with a connector > > from the outside. Most known game, printer and cellphone makers use > > the same tricks. I will give no names, see the media or make a walk > > around the Interet. The inkjet trick was discovered and solved by a > > Russion a few years ago. He gave all details of his reprogramming > > systhem on the Internet and believe me it works. > > > > Its not only technology, it's also a commercial war. > > They have good reasons to protect the customer indeed, but they also > > protect their market. > > > > Regards > > > > Cedric > > > > > > > > 2013/3/15 John Nebel <john.nebel at csdco.com>: > >> Boeing wishes it had better batteries! > >> > >> > >> On 3/14/13 8:25 PM, Richard Man wrote: > >>> > >>> I am speaking from real knowledge here: modern batteries do have > >>> protection, embedded processors etc. It's true that some no-name brands > >>> come from the same factories. It's also true that unscrupulous > >>> manufacturers would wholesale copy expensive batteries, think xerox > copy > >>> but in the manufacturing sense and sell them much cheaper. They may > work > >>> as > >>> well, or they may not, depending on how good the copy is. > >>> > >>> I usually do not need more than 2 batteries, no matter how hard I > shoot. > >>> So > >>> I have 3, since I consistently misplace one of them. > >>> > >>> Since my camera is multi-thousands, the battery cost is the least of > it, > >>> so > >>> I buy Leica's batteries. One less thing to worry about. None of them > has > >>> died. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at > >>> rabinergroup.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I know its wrong but think of the battery as part of the "motor" of > the > >>>> camera. I know its wrong but I wonder if its wall wrong. There may be > a > >>>> tiny > >>>> thread of insane non sensible truth to it. > >>>> > >>>> Its always what you don't think. > >>>> > >>>> That's my motto. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 3/14/13 7:09 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> This is one of those long standing discussions. Some folks report > good > >>>>> experience with the much cheaper alternates and others not. > >>>>> In this case Frank bought twelve and they have all died within two > >>>>> years. > >>>>> Some are prepared to pay much more for the Leica branded ones > because > >>>>> their assessment is that they should be more reliable and the extra > is > >>>>> acceptable for a 6 or $7000.camera and their photography That doesn't > >>>> > >>>> make > >>>>> > >>>>> them suckers. > >>>>> Everyone will do their own sums on cost/performance. Why not. > >>>>> > >>>>> One of my originals (I have 3 in total) is about five years old, one > >>>> > >>>> about > >>>>> > >>>>> four and one three (new with my M9). All continue to work fine. > Actually > >>>>> Leica Camera suggests that 3 years is a reasonable life before > >>>> > >>>> replacement > >>>>> > >>>>> is recommended. > >>>>> Lower output from old or non-genuine items was the factor that Leica > >>>> > >>>> Camera > >>>>> > >>>>> identified as contributing to card problems(write fails) with the M9, > >>>> > >>>> which > >>>>> > >>>>> is why the latest M9 firmware was introduced. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> *If you want to take more interesting pictures, > >>>>> stand in front of more interesting stuff* -- Joe McNally > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers > >>>>> Geoff > >>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 15 March 2013 07:39, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Except that more often than not, the aftermarket batteries are made > at > >>>>>> exactly the same factory as the original ones. As someone said, a > >>>> > >>>> sucker is > >>>>>> > >>>>>> born every day. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Nathan Wajsman > >>>>>> Alicante, Spain > >>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu > >>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu > >>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > >>>>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ > >>>>>> > >>>>>> YNWA > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mar 14, 2013, at 10:23 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Fro my Leica digital I used a Leica battery. > >>>>>>> Fro my Nikon D whatever I used Nikon batteries. > >>>>>>> I can tell you when the time ever comes for me to buy a seven > thousand > >>>>>>> dollar camera the last thing I'm going to do is go shopping for > cheap > >>>>>> > >>>>>> third > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> party batteries. I'll blow a few more hundred and get a couple more > >>>>>>> batteries with a red dot on it. > >>>>>>> This thread has come on this list several times and every seeing > time > >>>> > >>>> the > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> only person who seemed to hold this opinion was me. > >>>>>>> Now I am feeling vindicated up the yin yang for the tables to have > >>>>>>> been > >>>>>>> turned. > >>>>>>> The only way I've not won out is the fact that using the cheap > >>>> > >>>> batteries > >>>>>> > >>>>>> do > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> not seemed to have ruined any cameras. I'd have thought there was a > >>>> > >>>> good > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> chance that might happen. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I read a book on batteries in photography once it was by the Aaton > >>>>>> > >>>>>> company > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> head engineer or guy own owned the company or both.. > >>>>>>> A French company who made motion picture cameras and batteries. > >>>>>>> Gave me a healthy respect for them. But since then the landscape > has > >>>>>>> changed. Its strewn with dead cheap batteries for one. ...Seeping > >>>>>>> toxic > >>>>>>> waste into the top soil or water underneath. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I like expensive batteries. Silver ones. Light. Lith? > >>>>>>> I say "give me the most expensive battery you got" then charge me > >>>> > >>>> double! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner > >>>>>>> Photography > >>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Mark William Rabiner > >>>> Photography > >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > Henning Wulff > henningw at archiphoto.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>